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Come on dude... this is not a good faith argument and not worth my time. "Why protest bombing their schools when they hang gays?" JFC...this is an absolute troll post.
I'm sorry, what have you done lately? I've fought with Proud Boys, I've marched with strikers and donated to mutual aid support, I help get progressives and socialists elected to local positions, I fight against ICE and am active in rapid response teams, I fight for LGBTQ+ and immigrants and minorities, I fight for a free Palestine, I've marched with teachers unions, etc
What organizing have you accomplished?
You got called out because instead of providing a good faith argument in favor of your belief you just posted some snide remark. I pressed you to provide any sort of substance and you accuse me of being unworthy of your time?
This is an anonymous forum for the sharing of ideas and conversation. Anyone can post a laundry list claiming radical actions, but there’s no proof. Nobody knows who you really are, nobody knows if what you say is true, and there’s no way to prove it because unless you’re going to post a lot of irrefutable personal information online it’s just talk. Personally, I give you the benefit of the doubt and take you at your word that you do engage in those actions, but I could claim I’ve aided and abetted arson at a fur warehouse, doxxed an animal researcher and harassed them to the point they’ve had to move to a different state (then did it again), lived in an Occupy encampment for months through the winter, and beat a bonehead with a lock and chain outside a punk venue while getting a knife to the abdomen in response. Could be true, could be bullshit; it’s the internet.
Anyone can organize. The Proud Boys organize. I wasn’t asking for your organizational resume, I was asking for what the philosophical goals of your organization are. Why is what you seek to achieve not what OP accused you of authoritarianism? And now, additionally, why is it that so often when pressed to provide an explanation of those beliefs do people resort to “troll post”, “bad faith”, “not worth my time”, and non-sequitur replies? You are probably correct in the assumption that your reply won’t change my belief, but that doesn’t mean it won’t provide insight into how another person thinks that may influence future interactions or contemplation from myself or one of the many people on this forum that read it.
I ain't reading all that. Free Palestine.
Is this why they call you silentjohn, because when pressed for a defense of your beliefs you refuse to answer and instead drop hashtag grade slogans? No wonder we’re losing to the fascists, the commies can’t even defend the philosophy they stand for.
I repeat: What organizing have you accomplished?
Blocked.
I repeat, anyone online can claim organizing because it’s anonymous. You’ve been challenged to explain the philosophy behind what you’re organizing for.
they did reply to the "challenge" though, by saying this is a baitpost and not written in good faith, nothing of consequence will happen in this thread, just more dividing of the working class.
idk i tried to write more, but op was right, this thread is not a good faith discussion, i hope you can find solidarity with working class peoples around you.
Always with the anthropocentrism. Hit me up when you feel like fighting for the rights of all the victims of capitalism and human greed. You might get some assistance now and then, but you’ll never get solidarity until the pretense of human exceptionalism is dropped.
yeah, i shouldnt have even tried :(
Environmentalism and animals rights is a helluva no sell for you guys, isn’t it? The rejection of that value as fundamental to what needs to change caught me off guard, and is why I push back so hard to keep your flavor of leftism from becoming the dominant voice. I went rounds over in ML about this the other day, the idea that accepting non-human suffering/environmental destruction as a sad but acceptable consequence of human advancement so long as there’s “pledges and goals” for reducing it in the future is tolerable.
If we’re going to fight this fight let’s actually start fresh, not just make excuses for retaining the ugly parts of the system we destroyed because “humans are more important, we’ll get to that later”. Later never comes, there’s always a reason that can be found. Humans are important, but they’re not the only things living on this planet, most of them get a few decades of life, and there’s a lot more humans as well as other living things left to come after those of us here not are dead.
This is why I push people for their deeply held convictions about why they want the system they want. Slogans, laundry lists of unverifiable accomplishments, rehearsed talking points, the words of dead philosophers; none of that means shit. What’s it mean to them, the individual.
Get a job
Did you just whip out a boomer-era, poverty class disparaging insult? Your comment reeks of classism and capitalist arrogance. But thanks for being honest about your values in your response.
Lol nothing inherently capitalist about performing productive labor and you're definitely not contributing anything of value here
Doubling down, eh? Your implication that the value of a person is tied to productive labor is deeply capitalist. One can contribute to the betterment of the world without having a “job”; it’s called volunteering. Try contributing something of value without expecting compensation. Hell, try doing it even when doing so is a burden that expends personal energy without direct reward to yourself but makes existence better for something else.
Doubling down on being 100% right lol, there's no implication I'm stating plainly that you specifically are unemployed
No. You did not plainly state I was “unemployed”. Plainly stating “you are unemployed” would have been you stating, plainly, “you are unemployed”. You used “get a job”, a well established insult that insinuates the person you’re saying it to is unemployed (regardless of whether it is known if that person is employed or not), and connects human value to productivity through employment. That a person only has worth if they’re productive is the commodification of human existence. It’s the kind of shit libertarians use to mock the homeless. The fact that you would even consider using unemployment status as a means of insulting someone tells me everything I need to know about the quality of your character.
Run out of words to defend your idea that unemployment is a disgrace and that value is found in having a job? The wealth class loves it when the middle class regurgitates their work=value message and treats the poverty class like the punching bag the middle is for the elites. You are, without a doubt, the dumbest capitalist parrot cosplaying an internet tankie I have ever interacted with online.
Seek gainful employment
Employment is a relationship between two parties regulating the provision of paid labor services. Usually based on a contract, one party, the employer, which might be a corporation, a not-for-profit organization, a co-operative, or any other entity, pays the other, the employee, in return for carrying out assigned work. Employees work in return for wages, which can be paid on the basis of an hourly rate, by piecework or an annual salary, depending on the type of work an employee does, the prevailing conditions of the sector and the bargaining power between the parties.
Literally the foundation of capitalism you utter mook.
And that song you posted- “I got to go back to the house, hear that woman's mouth, preachin' and a cryin', tell me that I'm lyin' about a job”
Thought some boomer “my wife’s a nag” misogynist humor would strengthen your argument?
If you put this much effort into finding a job you'd have one by now
And if you put a quarter as much effort into educating yourself about the fundamentals ML as you do memeing, you’d know that a better line would have been “go contribute your labor to society”.
I had a feeling your idea of how a “job” works was rooted in the capitalist method, where a instead of labor an employee sells their labor-power to an employer and receives a wage as compensation, but using job/employment interchangeably confirmed it. You’re advocating for a system of designed dependence, where people sell their capacity to work and the employer extracts more value than they compensate for. Any equality between employer and worker is a deception.
But since memes seem to be your reading level:
You can go get that job now
Wages are the price of labor power. I will continue to live as I please and contribute my labor to causes and efforts I deem worthy of it.
Job