I know right. It's so weird here. People should just negotiate after tax salary and calculate everything after tax. But I guess everyone likes saying big numbers and then get angry government is taking a portion.

Honestly you should just have business pay tax like: x% for profits + y% (less than x) for employees' salaries. That way they've incentives to pay salary over keeping profits (growing company is better long term). And employees don't have to pay any tax themselves. And they negotiate amd work for after tax salary, no need to feel like gov is taking their money.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 1 points 1 day ago

So here in Italy it's advisable to use "RAL" when discussing employment contracts, which is yearly GROSS pay, but it's also rather easy to translate that amount to net pay, and it's what people usually do

[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I am.in the US, taxes come out of the paycheck before its paid.

On my check, before Inget it it pays

Taxes

Social security

401k

Health insurance premium

Dental insurance premium

Union dues

I think a few other small misc things.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, we still get taxed and then we have to pay out of pocket for health insurance. Luckily my company has some good, cheap insurance. I also take advantage of the high deductible program so I can save tax free money in my health savings account.

[–] 418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The high deductible is the insurance company taking advantage of you. The fact that you can save for that tax free does not offset that you shouldn't have to pay for it in the first place.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I'm not saying it does, but that it does have a silver lining at least.

[–] MML@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Okay so a lot of people are telling you incorrectly, most people do get paid with their taxes taken out already and there are penalties for not doing so but technically it is optional.

[–] 418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Apples and oranges.

Contractors get paid directly with no taxes taken out. They must deduct it from their pay themselves.

Employees get taxes deducted before they are paid.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ok but the meme doesn't mention the type of employment

[–] 418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It was mentioned in other comments.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 1 points 1 day ago

Can't assume I've read anything but the comments upstream to me