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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago (8 children)

😂

Holy shit, did Putin give Iran the pee tapes or something?

I don't think the USA has ever had such a humiliating loss in war.

Could he have gotten a worse deal?

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

There’s also a broader implication here.

If the US ever goes to war with China (by necessity it choice), for the foreseeable future all China has to do is have their ally choke off the strait of Hormuz and the US will crumple in months.

The reason the US is surrendering is because they are about to lose oil production capacity domestically; they hit the threshold of not enough oil to pressurize domestic pipelines.

That happened because they never filled the strategic reserve, and lashed out at any price increases, and bragged about how they can now sell so much extra oil now.

So any conflict with China will utterly destroy the US (and world) economy. The US is too far into late stage capitalism to ween off oil, so they’re fucked by their own choices.

The US is now officially unable to combat China.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

And that's ignoring that a war with China will mean access to the world's factory will be cut off, meaning shelves in stores will go bare and prices will skyrocket even more for things produced outside of China (assuming China isn't involved in some way in another part of that supply chain).

The notion of us (the US) winning a real war when we don't fucking make anything any more is beyond ludicrous. We won WWII (and WWI for that matter) because we made nearly fucking everything at the time. And whatever we didn't make we could have made if necessary.

[–] redsand@infosec.pub 3 points 16 hours ago

Yes. And they will because Lebanon is still in this deal and Netanyahu has ALL the Epstein files anf no desire to leave Lebanon

[–] artyom@piefed.social 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Really a humiliating time for America in general.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

It's fine, we're used to it at this point.

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Just to be sure, this only concerns nuclear energy, not bombs.

[–] mech@feddit.org 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Yes, that was the status quo since the US kickstarted the Iranian nuclear program in the 50's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran#Origins_under_the_Shah_(1950s%E2%80%931970s)

And also part of the deal Obama had made with Iran, before Trump canceled it cause he wanted Iran to have no nuclear program at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_the_Iran_nuclear_deal

So Trump now agreed to pay Iran $400 billion and let them collect fees for the Strait Of Hormuz, in order to get them to reinstate Obama's deal.

[–] Mantzy81@aussie.zone 3 points 1 day ago

I dunno, Vietnam and Afghanistan were pretty embarrassing too but just on a longer timeline

[–] iocase@lemmy.zip -2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

9/11 was the first sacking of Rome

This is the second sacking?

Soon will we see Trump pleading for a foreign emperor to save him from having his powers stripped away...?

[–] mech@feddit.org 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Rome fell when the Emperor became nothing more than a puppet of powerful warlords, government institutions were corrupted by the rich elite, taxes were spent on grotesque spectacles and bribes instead of infrastructure, and its allies couldn't rely on Rome's protection anymore and turned away.
Contributing factors may have been widespread lead poisoning and a changing climate.
So nothing like the US...

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 0 points 18 hours ago

He most likely is being paid off.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago

He has so many footnotes by his name now, we may have run out of conventional symbols to use, and now have emojis for some of his exceptions to a typical President.