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[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 87 points 5 months ago (5 children)

U.S. District Court Chief Judge James E. Boasberg sentenced Easterday to 30 months in prison as well as 500 hours of community service, along with $2,000 in restitution.

All of those numbers should be higher.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 60 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Agreed but there is an important win here:

Isreal Easterday, 23, was arrested in Florida in December 2022 and was found guilty in October on several counts, including felony charges of civil disorder and assaulting officers.

No more gun ownership for him, nor voting rights (in most states). He's removed himself from the most important parts of political discourse.

Something else I'm interested in seeing in the future is the sentence of a second conviction for some of these folks in the future when they inevitably decide to try some kind of insurrection again. What does sentencing look like for a two time insurrectionist?

[–] pantyhosewimp@lemmynsfw.com 36 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What does sentencing look like for a two time insurrectionist?

There is no second failure. I’m pretty sure the pattern goes:

  1. Beer Hall putsch
  2. Light prison sentences and pardons
  3. Political minority take over
  4. Dismantle democracy

Look for step 3 on Jan 2025.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Do we need to look to Europe for a pattern when we experienced a Civil War right here at home?

[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 5 months ago

No, but they aren't looking at history for a pattern that matches current events. They are looking for current events to match to the historical pattern they already chose, which is Hitler's rise to power.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No more gun ownership for him, nor voting rights (in most states). He’s removed himself from the most important parts of political discourse.

I agree with your sentiment, but neither of those matters to someone who a) doesn't respect the results of an election and b) is OK with insurrection.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Sure it does. That future traffic stop where they would have gotten away with a misdemeanor speeding ticket now turns into a felony firearms charge in itself.

I suppose it could be describe as: their footprint for anonymity has drastically shrunk now. Any infraction under the law will be examined in microscopic detail not just by federal officials but even local law enforcement. Any consequence is now magnified 10 fold.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

That's a great point I wasn't thinking it through.

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[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

No more gun ownership for him, nor voting rights

Yeah, I suspect the Venn diagram of "Convicted felons" and "Non-Firearm Owners" has a distressingly small overlap.

[–] BeardedSingleMalt@kbin.social 6 points 5 months ago

Much like "Has a lot of DUIs" and "Never drinks and drives"

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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 months ago

Normally I'm against removal of voting rights after a prison term is served, but I'll gladly make an exception for violent insurrectionists.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How am I not surprised?

"The election was stolen! Rigged! Sham!"

Did you vote?

"Uhhhh..no, the whole thing is rigged, why would I?"

Hoisted be his own retard.

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[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If these were black people causing an insurrection, you can bet those numbers would be higher

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 18 points 5 months ago

If it was a black person assaulting a police officer you can beat they’d have been shot.

[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 months ago

They asked for more.

The government sought 151 months — or more than 12.5 years — in federal prison for Easterday

[–] LanternEverywhere@kbin.social 5 points 5 months ago

Sure, but 2.5 years is very real time. Some people might be willing to risk doing similar crimes if they think they'll only get a couple of months, but if they think they might get a couple of years that's a very different thing and it might deter many of them

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 54 points 5 months ago (2 children)

They said Easterday was homeschooled and "everything he knew was filtered through the lens of his parents" when he came to the Capitol. Easterday, they said, "plainly did not fully understand what the Confederate flag signified" and even Googled “what does the rebel flag represent” on the afternoon of Jan. 6.

Awesome parenting.

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 32 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Imagine doing an insurrection, looking at the flags waving next to you, and wondering what the fuck ideology it is that you're attacking cops over.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Future history students will spend many hours studying and evaluating this only to conclude that it meant almost nothing at all.

Which in itself will be an insight into how vacuous and pointless our culture was.

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[–] Delusional@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think this is the majority of trump supporters. Just completely ignorant to what is happening and what the person they're supporting stands for. All it took was a few lies for them to start an insurrection and they didn't even bother fact checking before attacking the nation they claim to love.

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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And people wonder why liberals look at Trump supporters like they are idiots. It's because they are. Legit never met a Trump supporter I could use a word with more than three syllables in it.

Feeling cute, might overthrow democracy later.

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[–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago

So can we run the neglect lawsuits here like the Michigan parents? /s kinda

[–] jwt@programming.dev 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

'Isreal Easterday'

Isreal or istypo?

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Fourth generation homeschooled with a bloodline as pure as the driven snow.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Fitting I think for dumb religious nuts to misspell Israel when naming their kids.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 19 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It's going to be so surreal looking back at this in a few decades:

A crowd of phone-waving overweight cosplay nitwits from the internet taking over the headquarters of the most powerful nation on earth...

It makes me think of the vast numbers of brutal and battle-hardened rebels with AKs and rocket launchers, who have failed to storm their respective third-world governments, and the look that must have been on their faces when they saw this.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean usually the government doesn't basically invite the rebels in, unless they are loyal to the old guy, and want him back in power.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, it was less “rebels staging a coup and imposing a junta” and more “Napoleon returning from exile with ease, because the government never bothered to remove his loyalists from positions of authority.”

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Bingo. You said what I was thinking, in a much more eloquent way!

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[–] antidote101@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Took it over just as the vote counts were being ratified by the senate (right place, right time), and all went down some time after Trump had asked Pence to go along with his phony elector counts plan (and Pence had said no).

Word has it they got just a few hallways away from where the votes were being transported.

Seems like it was a sort of back up plan to bring the chain of custody of the votes into question before they could be officially recorded by the senate.

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[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Still makes me sick to think people idolize donald. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As a kid I I remember naively wondering how anyone could possibly be proud to be of house Slytherin; that it was kind of unrealistic. Boy was I wrong...

Yeah there are a lot of Trump supporters who may be good people at heart but are utterly uneducated, uninformed, misinformed, and overall just lack the critical-thinking to see the end-result.

... But there are a lot of people who are plenty smart enough to know better and support him just the same. These people sicken me the most. But you know, the Putins and Bundys of the world walk among us. Sometimes they're leaders; sometimes they're just shitty used car salesmen posting comments on youtube.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Trump isn't the first wannabe dictator. There are many dictators all over the world. It's unfortunate our would be dictator is such a fucking clown but well suited for how America warps everything to some bizarre extreme.

Yes, there are shitty people everywhere you go but to come out for donald is really telling how ugly they are on the inside.

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[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

I feel ya, take some time, then continue the fight to make things better for the next generations.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Flying the loser flag but still won a free place to stay an three meals a day.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

He should have just followed the law!

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They said that Easterday was home-schooled and that "everything he knew was filtered through the lens of his parents" when he went to the Capitol. Easterday, they said, "plainly did not fully understand what the Confederate flag signified" and even Googled “what does the rebel flag represent” on the afternoon of Jan. 6, 2021.

Home-schooling is abuse.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

That seems like a pretty big omission. Hell, I'm from the South and I had a better idea of it in middle school.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

A topic that hits close to home for me as I and my 3 siblings were homeschooled until college. 3 out of 4 of us turned into bleeding-heart libtards. All are doing well now.

Just to flip things around a bit, I perceive public schools who often look like prisons in my area and whose 1:15-25 teacher-student ratio and where peer-pressure and blind-leading-the-blind rules tends to be a bit abusive in itself. To that end, I'm willing to bed by proportionality there are less "school shooters" or suicides produced from homeschooling than there are from public school.

But ultimately I think it comes down to pointing the finger at the wrong thing; you see, it's not homeschooling, it's religious extremism. Partition out secular homeschooling and there's quite a difference. Even that said, my mom placed such a high importance on empathy and critical-thinking that my entire family reasoned ourselves out of the religious indoctrination bubble and even my parents flipped from right to left.

And if academics are of concern, it should be noted that homeschooled tend to either meet or out-pace the median publicly-schooled student.

Confirmation bias is also at play, here. Since most people can't relate to homeschooling and only know of public school, it's easy to point to it as a problem — similarly to how out of touch parents point to violent video-games. The bad apples are thus often highlighted in news articles, but nobody ever points to the fact that 9/10 of the other Jan 6'ers were most assuredly public schooled.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

My daughter is in online school, which is like homeschooling, except it's an actual accredited state school with real teachers giving live video lessons during the day, although I still have to stay home with her to help her with assignments and keep her on track. She is not religious, we are anything but right-wing. We took her out of school because she's a unique sort of kid and those sorts of kids get bullied. She was so severely bullied that even the bullied kids bullied her. She was having thoughts of self-harm.

Now she has much more self-esteem, her grades are better than they have ever been, and she actually has more friends now than she did when she was in public school. We even have a teen homeschool/online school social group that meets once or twice a week.

There are still bad days, but overall, she's doing really well and this has been a life-changer for her.

I wouldn't recommend it for every kid out there, but if I had the option when I was her age, I would have jumped at the chance.

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[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You make a lot of blanket statements without having any actual data to back any of it up. Home schooling CAN be a very positive experience, but it can also be a dumpster fire with little or no oversight. The truth is that we have very little data about the academic performance or even welfare of home-schooled children in the US because in many states they aren't required to meet even basic curriculum or assessment goals. The only information we do have is largely coming from providers of home schooling curriculums who are motivated to show positive outcomes.

I'm glad it worked out well for you, but if you haven't watched the Shiny Happy People documentary series about the Duggar family and the IBLP (who have millions of families following their curriculum), you ought to check it out.

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[–] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago
[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

Nice. It's too bad he won't get to meet his love in prison though. If they were to both go there, it definitely wouldn't be in the same place...

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