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[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 123 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Must be nice for the states to ignore federal laws and at the same time take in federal money. WAY MORE then they pay in.

Biden should revoke federal dollars to any state that refuses to follow federal laws.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 32 points 6 months ago

For being so red, you'd think they'd try not to be welfare queens huh?

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

That's exactly what the "teeth" of federal regulations are. They can suspend anything from highway funding to tax breaks. "You want to go it alone? We'll help it happen."

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[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 65 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

It's very nitpicky of me, but towards the end of the article, they discussed various factors hypothetisized to "cause transgender identity," and I hate that framing. Being trans doesn't need a root cause to justify treating us with respect and affording us human rights and access to health care that improves our lives. Nothing made me a woman. It's just who I am.

[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 11 points 6 months ago

From another publication I would have said, it’s the same recycled bigotry trying to paint LGBT identities as being something wrong that needs to be cured - either a (wrong) choice, or a medical condition, etc.

From this publication I would have expected greater care to avoid phrasing that makes this kind of categorisation.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

That touches on a subject a lot of my gay friends talked about with me. Most didn't want science to find "the gay gene." They didn't want there to be any reason for them to be who they are. They just are. They also didn't want to have something tangible bigots to point to as to why they are "wrong."

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I agree with them, very much so. There is no benefit to this kind of research because it's based on a false premise to begin with. Gender does not correlate with biology at all. It's part of who we are as people. There is no cause of transgender identity, and even attempting to find one is flawed. The transgender experience is not universal, and there is a vast amount of differing feelings and experiences amongst even just binary trans people. Any attempts to find a "cause" are really just attempts to find new justifications for gatekeeping trans people or subjecting trans people to conversion therapy.

I am, by and large, against the further reduction of trans experience to a medical one. We aren't diseased. We are fortunate to live in a time where we can access care that improves our lives tremendously. There is a very real medical component to treating dysphoria. But being transgender is not a disease.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

But isn’t this the same situation with other discrimination like racism? There are genes creating the differences we call race, but does that change how we should treat people? Yes, it’s. Problem that’s not solved but at least we know what should happen

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It is very difficult to list situations where more knowledge leaves you worse off. In any case does it really matter? We had bigotry long long before we even had a concept of evolution. People don't start from facts and develop theories, we do the opposite.

For what it's worth as of now the monotheistic religions are falling in numbers in the West so things could get better

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

It's not knowledge, though. It's assuming an outcome "there is a reason transgender people are transgender" and then attempting to match different things to that outcome. It's based on the incorrect belief that gender is rooted in biology and that, therefore, any trans person must be biologically broken in some way to identify the way we do. A simple glance at the vast array of different transgender people with many different and distinct experiences is evidence that there is no root cause. That being trans is just who we are.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Of course there is a reason behind it, there is a reason behind everything. We might not know what it is, it might be really complicated, but it is there we just have to find it.

Believing in a cause and effect view of the universe is not the same as a value judgement. If science finds out what makes X happen it says nothing about the value of X.

I really don't see the issue here. The monotheistic people who hate trans people are always going to hate trans people and not give a shit what the science says.

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (6 children)

I think there is one concern that cant be argued against: if a genetic basis were found, that opens the way to parents selecting against those genes in their unborn children. Like... imagine parents or the government deciding that theyd very much like to eradicate LGBT people before theyre born and having the capability to make it happen.

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[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago (6 children)

But transgender isn't an outcome, you're still not understanding. Transgender people are not fundamentally different from any other group of people. We just are transgender. Some of us don't even have dysphoria or seek out medical transition. The cause is entirely relativistic and unique to each transgender person.

Transgender isn't a property of a person it is a description of their relationship with the gender society assigned them.

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[–] Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 months ago

It's based on the incorrect belief that gender is rooted in biology and that, therefore, any trans person must be biologically broken in some way to identify the way we do.

That's the trick, isn't it? Of course I'm trans because of my body, my society, my physical world. But that doesn't mean me being trans is wrong or broken at all. I'm a woman because of my body and my society and my world just like every other woman is. Literally every one of them. Only difference is how long it took everyone to figure it out.

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Thing is... that mentality has lead bigots to argue that LGBT people chose to be the way that they are and used that to attack them. The reality is that the only way that bigots will ever be dealt with is by hammering home the concept that people should be left the fuck alone regardless of whether they had any agency in being who they are or are the result of genetic differences. Any argument that doesnt include that message is susceptible to attack and at some level falsely concedes that bigots somehow would have a point if a genetic basis for being LGBT were found. They dont. Genes or not, LGBT people should be left the fuck alone and treated just as well as anyone else.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's not so much a mentality as it is objectively the truth though. Advocating for a genetically immutable cause for queerness does not do anything long term towards acceptance. We can see that in the modern wave of transphobia and homophobia. Arguing that we don't have a choice to be this way is also fundamentally different from "we don't have a choice because we have genetic abnormalities, or because we were abused as children". We are the way we are and we deserve respect and human dignity. We deserve autonomy and access to healthcare that improves our lives. People who disagree with those things are not going to be swayed by patently false "cause and effect" arguments. The medical science shows that giving us access to gender affirming medical care when we went it shows massive improvements in our well-being and in our long term health. The science surrounding our care is entirely detached from any kind of malformed research into a reason why we are this way.

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

If someone only accepts you because they dont know why you are the way that you are, thats not acceptance. Thats a bigot that is one excuse away from attacking you.

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last i checked, the root cause for being trans was "being trans" but fuck if i know, i'm not a scientist lmao.

[–] drmeanfeel@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ladies and Gentlemen, the "party of law and order"

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 3 points 6 months ago

"Rules for thee and none for me" the Republican party...

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 26 points 6 months ago

Louisiana tells trans students to make shit tons of money in lawsuits.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

Just a quick reminder that the Democratic governor of LA term-limited out recently, and the batshit MAGAt morons are positively crapping themselves to enact the most fucked up laws they can possibly cram into one legislative session.

This isn’t an outlier, LA has been 100% befucked by republiQans. Being solid red isn’t new, but not having any decent reasonability or counter is relatively new. These fuckers aren’t just racist and cruel, they’re utter fucking morons.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

Louisiana politicians are good at ignoring things. Like bad hygiene and incest with their siblings.

[–] ____@infosec.pub 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

[t]he new rules likely conflict with the state's...

Great, because it's already settled law who wins that battle.

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

With a sane supreme court yes. But youre forgetting that we dont have that right now.

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

These boil my blood. I just moved to La so my tax dollars fund them.

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[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

So what are the consequences for breaking this law and why aren’t they being given?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Federal investigation and lawsuits, per the article.

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[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

These states get millions of dollars of funding for hundreds of programs from highways to business tax breaks. These can be cut immediately.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 8 points 6 months ago

How law and order of them.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Oh look Christianity brought a friend to help with their lawsuit.

ah sick, crimes, who could pay attention to those. No big deal.

Is that a dead body? I don't even know her!

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