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[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 253 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Automatic draft, but notvoter registration...

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 76 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Just because the politicians want to grab you out of your life and use you as cannon fodder doesn't mean they want to actually be as accountable to you as they're supposed to.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 31 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Politicians voting for mandatory draft should be on the frontline. Pieces of shit.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 44 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Automatic registration for Selective Services, not automatic draft. That’s very different. This is actually helpful in keeping people out of prison or getting fined for not registering.

But yes, this absolutely proves that they could automatically register people to vote with no designated party affiliation.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 4 months ago (15 children)

As a European I have always been confused when Americans talk about "voter registration". The way it works in my country is you are legally required to register your residence with the government and that registration is automatically used to determine a voter registry (just filtering by age, citizenship and exclusion due to criminal convictions all of which is information already known to the government). I always just get a letter a few weeks before elections informing me where my polling place is.

[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Well you see, in the United States, the way some politicians, specifically ones belonging to a certain very authoritarian political party manage to get elected is by making sure people don't or can't vote.

This is often coupled with throwing a huge hissy fit about "voter fraud" which doesn't actually exist on any remotely meaningful level.

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[–] ChihuahuaOfDoom@lemmy.world 146 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I might catch hate for this but I never understood why it wasn't automatic the entire time since it's illegal to not register.

[–] blackluster117@possumpat.io 42 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Easy way to funnel the lazy into prison labor?

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Not any more at least. Prior to this bill, failing to register for Selective Services was a felony punishable by imprisonment for up to five years and/or a fine of not more than $250,000.

Now you’re automatically enrolled. I think it’s actually better this way.

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[–] homura1650@lemm.ee 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Because there has not been a draft since the 70s, where automatic registration was not feasible.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yes, but failure to register was a felony.

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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Yeah — seems like they just want to test people

[–] TAG@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It was not automatic so rich people can avoid it. I have never heard of someone facing criminal charges for failing to register. I have heard that failing to register can impact eligibility for college financial aid and scholarships.

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[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 102 points 4 months ago (13 children)

You're already legally required to manually register with the selective service if you are male and you turn 18.

Why not just introduce legislation to end that requirement altogether.

[–] TaeKwonDoh@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Don't give them ideas.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 70 points 4 months ago

This will definitely get the kids voting Republican.

GOP 2024: We want you to die.

[–] Jubei_K_08@lemmy.world 65 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Remember kids, you can be a draft dodger and be president 😎👉👉

[–] snow_bunny@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Which would be fine if said draft dodger wasn't a chickenhawk.

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[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 59 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So people can be automatically registered for the draft, but not automatically registered to vote? Seems like bullshit.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

You didn't think the government would actually do something for you, did you?

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 57 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Disagree, just make the draft also affect women so it's not sexist

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[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 55 points 4 months ago (6 children)

For one, I think this was already required. I remember having to enroll in selective service.

For two though, whoever calls another draft is dead in the water. It's commonly accepted that starting an actual draft is political suicide.

That said, it would be nice if we could codify that and ban the draft.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago (6 children)

You are required to sign up but they usually only can enforce it in ways such as applying for a driver's license or voter registration. Maybe more kids aren't applying for drivers licenses and therefore aren't signing up.

[–] ValenThyme@reddthat.com 19 points 4 months ago (4 children)

if you never sign up you're excluded from a number of government jobs such as at the post office.

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[–] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I wouldn't put it past the Republican party to bring conscription to the table. Probably with all kinds of exceptions and loopholes to either keep their own kids out of it entirely or guarantee cush domestic desk jobs to show how patriotic they are. Everybody else gets to line up with a rifle.

Edit: Well, while I was baselessly speculating, this happened to come up on Lemmy: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/06/trump-world-mandatory-military-service-washington-post/

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 52 points 4 months ago

Fully automated luxury war slavery

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 47 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Some folks inherit star-spangled eyes

Ooh, they send you down to war, Lord

And when you ask 'em, "How much should we give?"

Ooh, they only answer, "More! More! More!" Yo

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 45 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Fuck the draft. Dodge the draft.

[–] hardaysknight@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

If you can dodge a draft, you can dodge a ball

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Seems like a pretty good Common Sense legislation really. You already have to register by law so making it automatic would be easier for all of us and avoid anyone getting in trouble for something stupid. I don't see a downside to this. I would like to see it apply to voting registration too however.

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[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (17 children)

Technically, the USA already required you to sign up for the draft right around the time you received your Social Security Card. The draft has not been used since 1973 and earlier. So this basically has no adverse effect. Even if a draft happened all the same people who would have been drafted before will be drafted now.

[–] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

You're required to sign up within 30 days of your 18th birthday. You should have (well your parents anyway) a social security card within the first year of your life, strange outliers aside.

It's still technically a crime knowingly not registering, with a $250k fine, even if it hasn't been prosecuted in decades.

It also bars you from federal government jobs, many federal programs, and grants. Until 2020, it also barred any federal financial aid for education, but that's changed now.

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[–] Copernican@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I'm for this. Don't vote for war mongers when you or your kids or grandkids could be drafted for war.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 20 points 4 months ago

Unfortunately there are no non-warmonger candidates in r or d and voting third party is a vote for trump so I guess we're all fucked amiright

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Registration is already required,and has been for decades. This only automates the thing so people aren't breaking the law. Super simple stuff.

So I'm not sure what your point is?

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[–] uis@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago
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