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A solid majority of Americans say Supreme Court justices are more likely to be guided by their own ideology rather than serving as neutral arbiters of government authority, a new poll finds, as the high court is poised to rule on major cases involving former President Donald Trump and other divisive issues.

The survey from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found that 7 in 10 Americans think the high court’s justices are more influenced by ideology, while only about 3 in 10 U.S. adults think the justices are more likely to provide an independent check on other branches of government by being fair and impartial.

The poll reflects the continued erosion of confidence in the Supreme Court, which enjoyed broader trust as recently as a decade ago. It underscores the challenge faced by the nine justices — six appointed by Republican presidents and three by Democrats — of being seen as something other than just another element of Washington’s hyper-partisanship.

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[–] stembolts@programming.dev 125 points 4 months ago (4 children)

7/10 Americans are aware / woke.

The owners, "Stop being aware, go back to being a cog in the machine. Stop reading the founders intent that we can overthrow them. That's against the law and the law is what we will use to enforce our ideologies upon you."

The "war against woke" is a war against awareness.

[–] clearedtoland@lemmy.world 57 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I would say it’s a war against knowledge and critical thinking. Those two things threaten their control and reasoning. Why else fear books or competing ideologies?

It’s one thing for the deer to see headlights coming at it. It’s another for it to know what it means and what it should do.

[–] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

I think that is what stembolts is saying. Awareness is borne from knowledge and critical thinking.

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[–] bamfic@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Too bad the system is designed by the founders so that 70% of the people are guaranteed in perpetuity to always have less than 50% of the power, and thus never get what they want.

This was done to keep slavery in place.

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[–] Ranvier@lemmy.world 63 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Is bribery and corruption an ideology?

[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Yes. It's called Cronyism.

[–] Ranvier@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Then put me in with the 7 out of 10 Americans.

[–] dactylotheca@suppo.fi 7 points 4 months ago

It's called Cronyism.

Funny way to spell "conservatism"

[–] cmoney@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Have you seen the interest rates on motorhomes nowadays?

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 62 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Alternate headline: 3/10 Americans are living in fantasy land.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I would suggest 3/10 share their extremists ideology. (Well, the ideology of the majority,)

“Warriors are fine. Nerf warlocks.” -Me, a mage in Vanilla WoW.

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[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 55 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Non-politicized decisions are wacky, the Sackler decision had Gorsuch and Jackson in the majority and Kavanaugh and Sotomayor in the minority.

"Coincidentally," the abortion and gun rulings are all exactly the same 6-3 teams based on who appointed them.

It's pretty much settled fact that this Supreme Court puts ideology over impartiality.

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

They definitely do on the most important issues, however they continue to be impartial on the issues that don't hit mainstream media (Fox Business Network)

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

The Sackler decision makes a lot more sense when you see it as the court disagreeing with how to protect the wealthy elite from future cases. Either the novel method here, being allowed to make an agreement that forecloses any future problems; or the traditional method of burying the other side in lawyers until you die.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 45 points 4 months ago

3 out of 9 Supreme Court Justices agree!

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 32 points 4 months ago (2 children)

3 out of 10 Americans are lying 🤣

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 20 points 4 months ago

3 out of 10 believe impartiality means agreeing with their ideology.

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[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

Ideology of “I get mine, you get shit”. Ideology of “I get what I want because I’m on this bench”. Ideology of “what can you do for me?”.

Illegitimate court. Every single ruling by them should be overturned and every citizen should ignore them.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Qwazpoi@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Maybe they believe that the supreme court is more influenced by money than ideology?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)
[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's because Republicans are skewing the numbers. 84% of Democrats and 73% of Independents understand the Supreme Court is a joke.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 4 points 4 months ago

I bet a chunk of those republicans are mad that the court is "too liberal"

Republicans are the worst

[–] muse@fedia.io 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The other 3 agree, but silently are agreeing with it

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I don't know. This is America. I'd say at least 1 out of 10 says, "the supreme what now?"

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Most Americans are keyed in on the intricacies of the Court. You can find a few polls showing this like this one where 1/10 of college graduates think Judge Judy has a chair at SCOTUS.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/19/politics/judge-judy-supreme-court-poll/index.html

The poll used her real name, Judith Sheindlin, but still not a good look.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 months ago

Using her real name and then reporting the results as “they thought Judge Judy was a SCOTUS justice” seems disingenuous. It’s not like the option that they chose said “Judge Judy”. I wouldn’t even have known that Judith Sheindlin is her real name and not just a generic old lady name.

I would wager the majority of American college grads can’t name all 9 SCOTUS justices (or even all 4 women), and if you’re just guessing then any choice that isn’t obviously wrong (like “Judge Judy”) has around the same chance of being chosen as any other not obviously wrong option.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

4 in 10 Americans say SCOTUS makes decisions based on ideology instead of the law, but they're cool with that because it's their ideology too.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Happy cake day, FlyingSquid.

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[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

Go read the Heritage Foundation's founding documents. Literally says in black and white that the way to shift the landscape in your favor is by getting your people on the SC.

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago

The other three aren't paying attention.

[–] WanakaTree@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago

I'm curious how many of those 7/10 think it's a good thing

[–] ef9357@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 4 months ago

I don’t think it. I KNOW it.

[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

But how many of them think that's a bad thing?

[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The other three are bootlicking republicans

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

pretty sure 3 out 10 americans believe they've met a demon or space alien

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago

No idea why they'd think that...

 

[–] blazera@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Theres no such thing as an impartial person.

[–] Veraxus@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I like pineapple on my pizza. Therefore, I rule that everyone else must always eat pineapple on their pizza. The Constitution doesn't say anything about pizza, so this is totally okay and exactly what the "Founders" wanted.

This is not, and never was, merely an issue of "being an impartial person"... but believing that you can and should be able to force your own partial views onto others - sometimes under threat of state violence - even when those views directly contradict the obvious letter and intent of our Constitution.

"Ideology over impartiality" means "they rule by fiat, rather than by any principle of justice."

[–] blazera@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Its not believing they can, they just can.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This is true. It can be strived for, though, and there are strategies to overcome bias, increase impartiality, and identify bias in others. If the United States supreme court (and really its legal system too) had any integrity, it would champion doing so.

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

If the United States supreme court (and really its legal system too) had any integrity, it would champion doing so.

I think most of the liberal justice would argue the court is and that's the problem. The keystone of Originalist philosophy is that judges should be impartial and leave policy decisions to the people (except when the constitution prohibits restrictions). To do that they are supposed to follow the original meaning, not the contemporary understanding.

In Living Constitutionalism judges are expected to apply their own personal standards and worry about the practical reproductions (that they for see).

[–] blazera@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I think the best strategy is to assume the worst. Assume that theyll take whatever bribes they can get away with, empower their political party however they can, seek to harm groups theyre hateful towards, etc. Restrict what they can get away with, do not permit any self accountability, keep the roster changing so corrupt roots cant go deep.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 months ago

The difference is at least some of us recognize our bias and work to mitigate its effects while the rest of us don't even know there's supposed to be a difference.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Democracy requires its 3 pillars - the Judicial, the Press and the Political - to be independent.

In the US all three are tied, some even Constitutionally.

It's thus not surprised that the country only ever got close to being governed for the Many rather than the Few at times when other Civil Society movements (such as Unions) were strong and healthy. Certainly that's not the case nowadays, not even close.

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