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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

The Federation clearly thinks something like OSHA isn't important.

The Empire from Star Wars at least has the excuse that they're outright evil. So the lack of safety railing in the Death Star tracks.

The Federation is supposed to be filled with the brightest, best, and most empathetic but their safety procedures are basically nonexistent.

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 67 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Further evidence:

Nevermind the lack of environmental suits.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 49 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Just rawdogging that new planet.

[–] satanmat@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We did a scan. We only found a few dozen Ebola like viruses; I’m sure it’ll be fine!!

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ebola really only infects people who work with ebola patients, and is common in cultures where it's tradition to kiss corpses of relatives.

So hey, don't do those things, and Ebola is far less scary than most scary diseases.

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Remember the episode where Trip gets pregnant, and he gets all broody and he rides the man lift in engineering up to demonstrate that the things which are at perfect hand rail height, that you'd probably like to hold onto while riding a lift in a large vehicle that might move suddenly, shears right past a support in its hoist way so if you did actually hold it like a hand rail you'd cut your fingers off?

Starfleet be negligent.

[–] teft@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

WW3 was fought against OSHA .... and OSHA lost

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 4 months ago

They were the ones writing regulations in blood!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

The questions Enterprise never answered for me: When they're between planets and Porthos has to poop, does he just poop on the floor of the ship? Are there little puddles of Porthos pee that crewpeople slip on? Is there a crewman whose job is dog cleanup duty?

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This conversation seemed all too familiar...

From a Risa post

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's how you know this keeps Flying Squid up at night.

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[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 39 points 4 months ago (4 children)

How else would anything interesting happen in the episode? In my head canon most of the federation is very responsible but also boring. That's why the show follows this particular bunch of degenerates.

[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 40 points 4 months ago

That's basically the premise of Lower Decks lol

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I considered that, too.

Enterprise is an exploration and research vessel so maybe their whole thing is they're doing experiments on a shoestring out in the middle of nowhere.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Can you have a shoestring budget in a moneyless society?

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Well, I'm not deeply familiar with how their tech works but I assume they need basic matter to build things out of with their computers (like when they have food made) but maybe they make it from energy instead of matter. I enjoy Star Trek but I honestly don't know the full deets on whether their matter creators need base matter or make it from energy. Either is seemingly still a finite resource.

I meant in the sense of like... Janeway is working with a limited set of resources, an extreme version of this. So that implies that being separated from the Federation can still result in lack of basic resources. Money is just trade for resources and a moneyless society doles out resources based on societal need.

So the Enterprise in general may not be as deeply far away as Janeway was, but can still be in a position where they don't have better places to do such an experiment or may be limited on resources, in my imperfect understanding.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Replicators, just like the holodeck and the transporters convert energy into matter. They don't need any base matter. Voyager did lack things, but what they mainly lacked were sources of long-term energy like dilithium and the Enterprise-D would not intentionally be so far away that they would run out of dilithium. The Enterprise almost never left the Alpha Quadrant of the galaxy. They were pretty much always within at most a month of rescue even if they were totally out of such things. Voyager was initially looking at no resupply for 70 years.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Replicators, just like the holodeck and the transporters convert energy into matter. They don't need any base matter.

According to stuff like the Star Trek Technical Manual, this is not true.

Transporters work by disassembling you into your constituent particles, transporting those particles to the destination, and then reassembling them. It takes a lot of energy to do that, but officially anyway your particles are the same particles before and after.

Replicator works by transporting base nutrient stocks out of tanks into the replicator terminal, but this time it rearranges the nutrient stocks according to whatever the target recipe is

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[–] teft@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

I enjoy Star Trek but I honestly don’t know the full deets on whether their matter creators need base matter or make it from energy.

They need matter. Admiral Vance has this exchange with Osyraa in Discovery:

Osyraa: Hmm. It doesn’t quite taste like the real thing, does it?

Vance: I’ve never eaten a real apple.

Osyraa: Well, how sad. Apples are a thing of beauty. You want to talk about oppression, you should start in your own mess hall.

Vance: It’s made of our shit, you know. That’s the base material that we use in our replicators. We deconstruct it to the atomic level and then reform the atoms. It’s pretty good for shit, and we don’t have to commit atrocities for it.

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[–] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago

Tucker in ENT S1E5 was right... those ships ARE a death trap.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 43 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Or Data standing right in front of the path of the phaser beam right behind whatever device is supposed to stop it.

It would be like holding a new piece of armour plating technology that has never been tested before, holding it over your chest and asking your buddy to shoot a rifle bullet at it to see if works.

[–] teft@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It would be like holding a new piece of armour plating technology that has never been tested before, holding it over your chest and asking your buddy to shoot a rifle bullet at it to see if works.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In my day, we made the redshirts wear the cup.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago

Is this Sam Kirk? .... I guess we now know how he died.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

People have literally died doing that.

[–] finley@lemm.ee 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Ironically, Data survived that, twice

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 42 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They didn't have budget for an engineering lab set. They spent it all on the LEDs that went into Data's head subcutaneous superstructure.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They famously only got the engineering set built because Roddenberry insisted on writing it into the pilot episode.

[–] Jerkface@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION
"THE CLOSET INCIDENT"
INT. ENTERPRISE - MAIN BRIDGE

PICARD (turning to Geordi) Mr. La Forge, we need more power to the shields.

GEORDI On it, Captain.

Geordi hurries to a small, inconspicuous closet at the side of the bridge. He opens the door and steps inside. The closet is cramped, filled with various cleaning supplies and equipment.

INT. CLOSET

GEORDI (whispering to himself) Alright, let's see what we've got.

The lights in the closet flicker, and a low hum of machinery can be heard.

INT. MAIN BRIDGE - CONTINUOUS

The crew on the bridge looks puzzled

WORF (raising an eyebrow) Did he... Go into the closet?

PICARD (trying to maintain composure) Starfleet decided the production was too expensive.

Riker stifles a chuckle. Suddenly, the console beeps and the shields increase power.

PICARD (exhales with relief)

Geordi emerges from the closet

GEORDI (tapping his combadge) La Forge to bridge, power levels are stable.

PICARD Nods awkwardly.

PICARD Excellent work, Mr. La Forge.

The crew exchanges amused glances.

FADE OUT.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Was it installed on Tuesday?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

If it's dangerous enough to risk the ship, they should probably do that in a shuttlecraft far away from the ship or on some uninhabited moon or something.

They have those sets.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 months ago

Probably the only thing that made sense in Into Darkness.

[–] Doolbs@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh, man. I'm reading Red Shirts by John Scalzi right now, and this hits home.

[–] loopedcandle@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 4 months ago

That book is great.

[–] ApeNo1@lemm.ee 18 points 4 months ago

That’s what it was like way back in the 2360’s.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 16 points 4 months ago

Whatever it takes to get the opportunity to eject the core.

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 14 points 4 months ago

They should do this stuff in the garage -- er, shuttlebay.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Inhabiting the body of Geordi was all part of Shaxs' return from the Black Mountain.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Never test in production!

[–] finley@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

at least they didn't fire the phaser in the direction of the warp core

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safety squints… engage.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Same with that unknown thing Bashir found that blasted data into Dreamland

edit-they did it again after they knew it fired shit too

[–] AngryishHumanoid@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Ok true, but otherwise this is easily one of my top 5 episodes.

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