Did Joseph Smith come back to life and read the restrictions out of a hat? Otherwise it doesn't count
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Tsk.. tsk... tsk... For clarity JS actually claimed to have:
"Read glowing writings off a stone placed in a hat."
Its much more believable that way...
Glowing writing? At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the country, localized entirely within your hat?
… May I see it?
...no.
Dum dum dum dum dum
LDS is at least upfront about how they change stuff
The leadership get revelations directly from god. In a weird coincidence, many of the revelations (like that black people aren't demons) come at times when societal pressure is overwhelming or they are getting bad press. god apparently has very good timing.
One might say its timing is providential.
At this point, the only societal pressure they're under is trying to retain the self-identified Mor[m]ons in the Western US who allow the Mor[m]on church to hold sway over local politics.
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Tax free status for churches has been one of the dumbest policies ever, they don't follow the rules on not promoting political parties and candidates and use that privilege to oppress scapegoats.
I would even be fine with preserving their tax-free status if they were required to keep open books like other nonprofits. Let the world see exactly what a megachurch spends its money on. They'll find they have a lot fewer new recruits.
Grouping them with child predators, so they're part of the clergy now?
Sucks to be Mormon.
For sooooo many reasons.
The best things to come out of the Mormon church was John Moses Browning and Joshua Graham and Graham is fucking fictional.
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It really does, and it especially sucks to live in Utah where everyone silently judges you for existing
I don't know if Mormons do posthumous baptism, but put me in a fucking dress before loading me in the furnace or chipper shredder or whatever if it will prevent any of that bullshit.
They certainly do and unfortunately they don’t need the body. No one is safe.
So many people did baptisms for both Anne Frank and Adolf Hitler.
There’s an easier way to not deal with it.
Remember, they need you to believe in a god that is all powerful, all knowing and doesn’t give enough of a shit to not make fuckups like this.
(That. Or maybe it’s all bullshit and their asshole god is made in their image.)
I'm not a believer at all in such superstitions. Technically, I don't care what happens after I die. But I don't want any religion to falsely claim me.
As an ex-mormon, I feel I should point out that they don't believe they're claiming the dead whom they're baptizing. They're providing an opportunity for the dead person to choose and accept the baptism.
That said, f#*# organized religion. The Mormon church especially.
I've harped on it at length elsewhere, but even within the illogical realm of theology, baptism for the dead is just childishly literal and stupid, and I can't for the life of me figure out why they cling to it.
There's a huge pull for Mormons to see their family again, it's one of the ways they manipulate you the hardest. If you're a good mormon, but this other person wasn't, then you'll basically never see them again. (Or meet them, in the case of ancestors). Plus it's a bragging point, I knew people who kept a count of everyone they did this for.
You know a religion is fucked when they believe in a divided heaven. Motherfuckers literally segregate the afterlife.
And Mormonism does it more than others. There's not only 4 places you can go after you die, but the "heaven" (best) one has 3 separate levels in it as well. You can only go to super secret top tier heaven if you're Mormon, get sealed (eternity married) in the temple, and remember all the secret handshakes and your special name learned in the temple.
(The name isn't even that special, they just make it seem like it is. Every person of the same gender as you (remember there's only 2 🙄🙄) gets the same name for that date. They're all biblical names, and since there's only like 8 women mentioned in the Bible (because why would they right?), they're recycled even more making your super special secret temple name super common.)
Additionally, of you get a special placement in the afterlife based on what church you associate with, and not even based on your deeds and intentions, then that's F'd up. You could be literally the best person ever, but if your Catholic or atheist, you don't get into super secret top tier heaven. That's reserved for the sycophants.
Sorry, but you have a diminished ability to counter the lies people tell about you when you're dead.
The best we could do is try to create a society, before we die, which refrains from lying. I'm not sure that's easy, considering that many humans rely on ideology to create a sense of purpose, and all ideology strains away from the truth at some point.
you have a diminished ability to counter the lies people tell about you when you're dead.
Fortunately I have this genius plan to be an absolute nobody in the history of the world. It's my greatest defense against posthumous fuckery. But if putting me in a dress will help, I don't care.
They don't only do posthumous baptism, they do posthumous baptism of non-Mormons to make them into Mormons.
They did a posthumous baptism for Anne Frank. Assholes. I realize that doesn't change anything about anything, but they're still assholes for doing it.
Anyone can submit names and people often submit names to embarrass the church because they know it will cause problems. Secondly the 'anne frank' that had work done was not the historically famous figure but a different person entirely,
Temple work is ancestor focused worship, it's not about changing anyone's historical factual life, that's not at all a belief in the church, no one thinks that temple work changes ANYTHING about history, that's INSANE and no one thinks that's what's happening with the names you work.
All the names you so work for are supposed to be YOUR ancestors, people do go through and offer to do names people have left available for anyone, but those names are still supposed to be that other persons ancestors, not unrelated people, no one is supposed to be submitting names of any historical figure they arend provably a decendent of, and even then, they should only do so if they have a right to do that work.
A lot of people hate Mormons and like to make up the worst things they can think of to insult or vilify them. I was Mormon for a long time, I left the church because of ACTUAL THINGS the church does that are wrong and bad and against the churches own doctorine, the choices they make about training and policy, the severe anti lgbtq hatetred they support and spread. NOT because of made up bullshit no one in the church has ever done or believed.
There's more than enough factual information to criticize, making up bullshit isn't necessary and it's dishonest and stupid.
BftD is a very weird doctrine that is childishly literal on the one hand, but inefficient to the point of cruelty on the other. There is no real point to it except busy work for grandmas and finding something to use for indoctrinating teens at the temples, and maybe it was an effective lever of control over superstitious members when it was first rolled out. I can guarantee you that any well known person was submitted at least once by "well meaning" members, regardless of the rules when they were doing so.
It's so facially... stupid... that it's extremely disrespectful to cling to it and claim it's any kind of benefit. When I was a kid, they would say that if you died unbaptized you were in some sort of spirit prison, and it was only after some dumb kid who lied about cranking it to the Sears catalog got dunked in an overgrown bathtub that you'd get your hall pass to let you "decide" whether to accept the gospel (which is another bone to pick... what kind of choice is that after you're dead and it turns out the Mormons were right?!).
It's horrendous on its face, but it only gets every so slightly better upon deeper investigation. It's still an arrogant and incoherent but of theology, and the sooner they have a "revelation" that it's unnecessary, the better.
Are you suggesting whoever did the actual proxy baptism of Anne Frank didn’t know who it was they were baptizing or are you suggesting it never happened?
Because it happened. And not just with her.
https://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-10-people-posthumously-baptized-by-mormons-2012-3?amp
Like I said, it doesn’t actually have any effect on anything. It’s just some sick shit.
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Don't you have to want to be baptized.... Like isn't absolution supposed to be a self sought ideal.
Yeah, the real impact of this will just be further alienation of trans youths.
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Until a lawsuit happens and senior members of the church have a magic moment and change their minds?
I hope changes like this make them taxable. I want a fat cut of all that cash they are hoarding.
Shitty, useless organization does yet more shitty things.
Supremacist fringe cult practices bigotry, film at eleven.
It's like they learned nothing with the gay community. All this shit just screams scared old man. Fucking over their nonsense.
Church of Jesus Christ? More like Church of "Jesus Christ!"
You mean to tell me that it's too much trouble for them to keep track of their own leadership and bishops to remember which have been accused of misbehavior and sexual abuse, but they totally have the time and capacity to keep track of which church members had a sex change and then group them with the empty file of sex abusers to was too troublesome to keep?
The LDS church is straight up is a scam. They are tax exempt, require you pay tithing, and even use their members to clean the church buildings, despite the absurd amounts of wealth they have. And all they do with that money is build temples all over the place, and hoard it.
Funny, I've mentally annotated mormons my whole life as likely to commit sexual violence and child abuse.
So is Brandon Sanderson going to rewrite the king of the reshi isles or what? Lmfao I always laugh whenever someone tells me how inclusive or socially positive any of his writing is. Y'all can clown on JK Rowling no problem but give this guy a pass?
Asking genuinely as someone who hasn't read any of his books; what had B.S. said/written that is socially negative? I know nothing about the guy tbh.
What did Joseph Smith say about transgender people? Nothing. What did Brigham Young have to say about transgender? Nothing. What does the book of Mormon say about transgender? Nothing.
Must be nice to hide your bigotry behind a religion that does not even back you up your hate in its scripture. Truly pathetic.
there are trans mormons?
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