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[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

(Most) humans love having sex. Sex is widely considered to be very good and enjoyable. So the fact that birth rates are declining says a lot about the state of the world.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's possible to have sex and still not have kids......

[–] Kayday@lemmy.world 13 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I think the point is that incentivizing people to have more sex isn't the answer to a declining birth rate.

[–] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago

Incentivising people to bone amidst falling birth rates is like addressing a broken leg by handing out painkillers.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 123 points 2 days ago (2 children)

have they considered not sending everyone to ukraine to die?

[–] Chickenslippers@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At this point they don't even need to go to Ukraine anymore, they have Ukraine at home to deal with

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's right! Ukraine comes to you!

Every day, that final bullet comes closer and closer to putins head.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

That's something, at least.

I want to show more empathy, but the dude made the choice to start a new war in the nuclear era when we cannot afford war anymore. (And yes, I'm aware he's not the first.)

I wonder sometimes if we face a choice between strictly rejecting his kind (war starters) from our species, or accept that our species is destined to cease to exist.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

"his kind" I a agree with that...Hitler, Putin, the Spanish kings, the Federalism kings, the various Chinese rulers that ended in massacres same for the Japanese. The Egypt old assholes and their new assholes. The Mexican government and the drug lords who rule Mexico and South America. Trump, George Bush. Sadam Hussain, fuck face who ended up under the sea like the little mermaid from the Taliban. Etc etc. it's a sea of just asshole after asshole. I agree with you. As soon as a leader seems off, the constitutions should allow the people to swiftly remove them. There are plenty of brilliant minds around, there's no need to put forward the worst ones.

[–] Arcity@feddit.nl 21 points 1 day ago

Nah, he needs babies for the meat grinder.

[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 312 points 2 days ago (6 children)

News flash for wealthy authoritarian parasites around the world, because you all seem ignorant of this fact:

Declining birthrates are a direct result of the simple fact that more people all the time decide that they have no desire to bring children into this world, and that in turn is a direct result of the fact that you've turned this world into a warped, corrupt, toxic, authoritarian shithole.

You have no one to blame but yourselves.

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My wife and I both work over 40 hour weeks. We are pretty comfortable especially compared to our friends and family members and we are not even close to buying a house and don’t have time to raise a kid and still think it’s too expensive to do so.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@lemmy.blahaj.zone 61 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

I disagree. There's a lot of reasons why people don't have children, including:

  • emotional devastated youth (abandoned by parents, addicted to smartphones, misunderstood by society)
  • people can't find partners for this reason
  • too much stress from too much work
  • wages are barely keeping up with inflation, and I project they will in fact not keep up in the long term in the US due to missing labor protections and decreasing demand for labor.
  • rising cost of living because politically, nobody really cares about the population.

edit: sorry i realized i made these points US-specific but you were talking about russia, sorry.

[–] kirk781@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They aren't necessarily US specific. Wages not keeping up with inflation and rising cost of living is a factor from South Korea to Japan to Singapore as well. Some countries muck it up themselves like China with their one child policy back in the day (even the Chinese fertility rate has dipped below 2.2, I think).

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[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 days ago
  • Women get educated
  • Women get their own money
  • Women get control over reproductive rights and tools

So much of our world is based around women keeping it on the rails without receiving credit for their efforts.

[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago

No - actually I was talking worldwide. Russia's just a notable example.

And I would say that all of the things you listed are, directly or indirectly, consequences of the fact that wealthy authoritarian parasites have warped societies to their benefit regardless of the harm done to others, so are actually examples of exactly what I'm talking about.

[–] alleycat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

One point I want to add: Throughout most of human history, it was economically beneficial to have lots of children. They were your retirement plan (and cheap labor).

In most developed countries, this is no longer the case. People who want children get one or two, just to scratch the itch, but that's not enough to sustain the population (without migration).

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Finally, my hitting on that hot coworker isn't inappropriate but patriotic.

[–] sadTruth@lemmy.hogru.ch 64 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If the fertility rate remains below 2, it will become harder and harder to wage war. And if it femains below 2 long enough there will be nobody left to wage war (or die in it).

So please sacrifice your precious time, health and money for your future children. Do it for the love of war!

[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Don't forget the inability of the rich to keep you in poverty wages when there aren't 50 people waiting to replace you at every job!

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

They're doing a great job of removing young men already...

[–] seejur@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Soon enough all those ads about hot Russian women near me might become a reality!

[–] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They’ll be advertising in China with all those extra men.

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Depending on the industry banging your coworkers will not increase the birth rate.

[–] hungover_pilot@lemmy.world 120 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Wow that sounds terrible... Especially with encouraging employers to increase birth rates, a lot of sexual assault/harassment is going to be swept under the rug.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Newsflash. We’re talking about conservative Russia here. It already was :/.

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I miss the innocence of my younger self when I thought the ending of the Russian World War Z POV was a bit phobic and not prescient.

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[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago

Yeah, that seems to be the point. He's again appealing to his macho fascist supporters by further enabling abusive behaviour. Domestic violence has been decriminalized for years already in Russia, violence against outgroups is allowed/encouraged, they have a national snitch on your neighbour system, ... It's become a true fascist society.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yo, you think Republicans aren't listening and taking notes? In fact they WOULD encourage sexual assaults. at work and everywhere else - gotta produce babies. It's how they roll.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Also they think it's their only hope of sex, because nobody willingly chooses them.

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[–] Furball@sh.itjust.works 132 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If only there was something he could do to reduce the death rate in Russia

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 73 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Maybe barred windows? So many people seem to die from falling through windows there, apparently all terrible accidents

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 88 points 2 days ago (3 children)

If he's concerned about the population, he can just stop sending young men off to war....

[–] uienia@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

He is not concerned about the population, he is concerned about not having enough young men to send off to war.

[–] assembly@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Seriously! Stop sending off the young men who could be fathers to die in Ukraine. At some point Ukraine will have killed over 1 million of these people that should never have had to leave home.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 days ago

Plus the estimated million+ who smartly fled Russia in the first year of the war.

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[–] uebquauntbez@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Apparently Putin wants both.

Make Love I Got All These Soldiers Killed And Need More

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 69 points 2 days ago (3 children)

“Being very busy at work is not a valid reason, but a lame excuse. You can engage in procreation during breaks because life flies by too quickly,” he remarked

Yes, birth rates are falling because nobody has time to fuck. That's definitely the problem...

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

Yep because as everyone knows the biggest time consumer associated with raising children is the conception. After those few minutes, you never need time for the children ever again.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Russian navy:

oh god… seamen… seamen everywhere, in every compartment, inescapable. The seamen pervade everything. Save yourselves. And use cold water to get the stains out.

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[–] tal@lemmy.today 35 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm kinda skeptical that the constraining factor on Russia's fertility rate is frequency of sex.

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[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Need fresh bodies for the burger mill.

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