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[–] Kushan@lemmy.world 30 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I thought this was dumb as fuck, but I think I understand what Microsoft is trying to do here.

What might not be obvious is that this "Windows" app is for iOS, Android and Linux - yes, it's a replacement for remote desktop but it's specifically a remote desktop app to connect to Windows machines.

So while I still this this rebranding is entirely unnecessary, I can see that they are trying to clearly distinguish "I'm not on windows and I need to do something on windows so I'll use the windows app for that" .

It also means less confusion when "remote desktop" doesn't let you connect to your Mac or whatever.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 21 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

One year from now: web search "Windows App broken" and then starting cutting myself.

[–] Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

Something tells me the community forums will still refer to it as remote desktop or RDP anyway

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

But not all Windows apps can be run via Wine, at least some apps related to some tools I’ve had to use were not available

[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

You can if it's a protable software, you can "acquire" portable softwares on appnee

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Then spin up Windows in a VM. It is painless and has unattended installation

[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Is this like windows in a window, windows in the cloud, or a dual boot situation?

[–] irreticent@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

It's like Windows in a window. Not just Windows, but you can run many other operating systems in a VM too.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Yup that’s what I do

Edit to say that there’s some mouse drivers which don’t work in a VM, at least from my experience but maybe I didnt try hard enough

[–] bobgray123987@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 6 hours ago

Do the 3D mouses work?

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 1 points 16 hours ago

True I wanted to run affinity I couldn't do it I apparently need a custom version of wine

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Ya but they won't run in that app either I bet (like photoshop or 3dsmax).

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Maybe, I’d like to see if there’s a difference, but you’re probably right

[–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 15 points 23 hours ago

I was like, this has to be fake. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/09/microsoft-releases-a-new-windows-app-called-windows-app-for-running-windows-apps/

[–] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What the fuck is that title

[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Some journalist memeing

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 98 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

It's really more like Remote Desktop+. It has some additional "features" (slight retch) on top of traditional Remote Desktop features.

Let's wait and see if it's actually more secure than traditional Remote Desktop.

(and I'd still rather use Wine)

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Did they invent X11 Forwarding over the network?

[–] Samsy@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Btw. when we get wayland forwarding over Network?

[–] potentiallynotfelix@lemdro.id 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

waypipe exists, but it's still not perfect.

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[–] d_k_bo@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Unlike X11, Wayland was never intended to be network transparent. As others say, solutions like waypipe and more tradionally RDP and VNC exist.

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[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

X11 can render individual windows (Xclients) through the network on another Xserver since decades. With XPRA you can even buffer them, to move them from one Xserver to another or make sure they survive network disconnect. It's very cool, but not widely used.

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[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

so by now even Microsoft acknowledges that it has lost the battle of making computing synonymous with Windows?

FOSS release of Windows when?

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 8 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

FOSS release of Windows when?

Can you imagine if that entire code got released tomorrow, without Microsoft selectively cleaning it up first?

I remember WinXP getting decompiled a while back and people thought it was pretty wild. Can you imagine Win8+?

Bet we'd find a few comments like #Yes it's a massive security hole but don't ask questions. LOL

I think we'd still be shocked at how much data collection it does. And probably how "I don't know why it works but don't touch it." The code is. (It was written by people, after all)

I've always felt a lot of Windows' "dependability" is really just slick presentation and the mystique of a black box that sounds solid when you knock on it.

But what bothers me so much, as a non-career-coder and DIY-computing learner, is whenever a corporate product breaks, everything is obfuscated with nonsense that is only meant for a company engineer.

At least good FOSS tries to tell you exactly where the issue is.

If Windows went FOSS I bet it would get a lot of human-friendly fixes...and MS would get a lot of new scandals lol.

[–] HStone32@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

i read a blog post by a former MS employee who shed some light on the situation. apparently the windows dev team is entirely made up of junior developers. As soon as anybody gets any experience, either MS tries to promote them to management, or they leave to find a better job.

what that means is there is nobody at MS who has deep knowledge of the Windows kernel. So instead of re-writting, re-factoring or making additions, all they know how to do is add things on top of the existing OS.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 3 points 18 hours ago

I don't think this is strictly true. They do tweak parts of the kernel such as the CPU scheduler to deal with new CPU designs that come out which have special scheduling requirements. That's actually happened quite a bit recently with AMD and Intel both offering CPUs with asymmetric processors with big and little cores, different clock speeds, different cache, sometimes even different instructions on different cores. They also added ReFS not long ago, which may have required some kernel work.

I can understand though if they have few experienced people and way more junior devs. It would probably explain a lot to be honest. A lot of Microsoft stuff is bloated and/or unreliable.

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 2 points 16 hours ago

Imagine Microsoft decided to open source windows they would act like mozilla firefox management or smth

[–] cheddar@programming.dev 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

As I understood this is some remote running layer, while WINE is an emulator.

[–] Bezier@suppo.fi 55 points 1 day ago (2 children)

WINE is an emulator.

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[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

Wine Is Nothing but an Emulator

[–] cheddar@programming.dev 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wine Is Naturally an Emulator

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[–] fluxc0@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Oh dear cheddar, what does WINE stand for?

[–] cheddar@programming.dev 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

(best quality I could find)

[–] notaltaccountlol@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wine Is Not (an) Emulator

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[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 1 points 15 hours ago

Wine's Independent New Energy

[–] witty_username@feddit.nl 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Let me guess. It won't support directx calls?

[–] infeeeee@lemm.ee 41 points 1 day ago

It's a remote desktop client, so it won't. OP read only the title of the article

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