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Personally, I don't* but I was curious what others think.

^*^some sandwiches excluded like a Cubano or chicken parm; those do require cooking.

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[–] Corno@lemm.ee 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

Which means that it might be, depending on the sandwich. For example, you cook a panini or grilled cheese.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

If you cook it, like a grilled cheese, then yes. Otherwise, it’s sandwich arts.

The question is inadequatly phrased. You must describe what kind of sandwich we are speaking of. Unless op is speaking about cold sandwiches exclusively, many sandwiches require cooking.

Croque Monsieur

Grilled Cheese

Cubano

Monte Cristo

Panini

These are just a few that I came up with off the top of my head. I'm sure there are many more.

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 22 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Cooking (in the English I was taught) involves the application of heat - frying, baking, roasting, boiling etc are the names for specific ways to do this. A sandwich would be made or prepared.

[–] tiddy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Some go as far as saying cooking requires a chemical change, else youre just heating

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 hours ago

Yeah - an application of heat to create a chemical change. You’re correct there. My answer was incomplete.

[–] morbidcactus@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Just for the heck of it, if you heat protein enough to denature it but have no Maillard reaction (let's say you've just made a hard boiled egg), would that not be considered cooking by that definition?

My understanding is that denaturing is a physical structure change, not a chemical one (and according to Wikipedia can be reversible in some cases), not a biochemist or food scientist though so totally accepting that my understanding is incorrect/incomplete.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Nope. In English, if it doesn't involve the application of heat, you ain't cooking, you're preparing, making, or other terminology.

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

So toasting a sammich is cooking, but making the sammich isn't?

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 hours ago

Pretty much, yeah. Same as grilling a burger and putting it on bread is cooking despite the bread being pre-made.

Afaik, cooking isn't limited to applying heat to raw foods.

Might be worth saying that I don't remember which dictionary the definition came from, and that dictionaries only record language, they don't prevent changes over time. Which means that usage could have changed enough since the last time I looked at any, and now have a different usage added

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The specific language you speak has significant impact here. For some, "to make food* is used to refer to cooking. Where as in English it's not so clear. I prefer the use in terms of survival. IMO, if you can make any food enough to survive you can cook, because in English there is not a better colloquial verb. Though i wouldn't call you 'a cook' or 'a chef' if you can't apply heat to produce edible food from raw.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

This might be different depending on the speaker, but at least for me Portuguese and Italian are even stricter on interpreting cozinhar/cozer and cucinare/cuocere as involving heat. Like, if I were to say for example ⟨*cozinhei um sanduíche⟩ (literally "I *cooked a sandwich"), I'm almost sure that people would interpret it as "I picked an already prepared sandwich and used it as ingredient for something else"

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I mean that's true of the english term as well. But if someone says they can't cook i default to thinking they order out every meal or use a microwave fot cup of ramen. Making sandwiches, salads, and other cold foods is still a skill but there's no word such as cold-cutlerist and i refuse andwich artist.

[–] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 12 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

The word cooking, to me, means using heat with a stove. Baking is for the oven. Grilling, is outside on a grill. But a sandwich is only ever "made" in my house. "Will you make me a sandwich?", "I'm making a sandwich"

Good question though. Never thought about it.

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 10 hours ago

https://xkcd.com/149/

Sorry. You said "make me a sandwich"

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[–] obinice@lemmy.world 26 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

No, it's food preparation but nothing is being cooked.

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Depends on your start point. You can bake your own bread, cook/combine your own condiments, and roast/cure your own meats.

[–] Evil_incarnate@lemm.ee 3 points 7 hours ago

You can grow your wheat, and raise pigs, but to really make it from scratch, first you need to create the universe.

[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 49 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

I don't think it's cooking unless you are applying heat to cause a chemical reaction. So, making a grilled cheese sandwich counts as cooking, but a BP&J does not.

[–] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 1 points 8 hours ago

You can cook with a microwave, but if you're just reheating something that's not cooking.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago (3 children)
[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 2 points 8 hours ago

Lol whoops. I'm leaving it.

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 13 points 19 hours ago (8 children)

Making ceviche or sushi officially not cooking confirmed - how dare those posers call themselves sushi chefs.

[–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 35 points 19 hours ago (6 children)

gotta cook the rice for sushi. checkmate.

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[–] SARGE@startrek.website 11 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I think of a chef as a "preparer of food" not necessarily "food cooker"

So sushi chef is still accurate to their opinion, disclaimer I agree with them so I could always be rationalizing it.

[–] Num10ck@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

chef is french for chief. they are the head of the kitchen.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

They still have to cook the rice.

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[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 16 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

IMO, assembling a sandwich from ready-to-eat ingredients without using a stove, oven, microwave, etc. is meal prep, not cooking. If you roast, saute, toast, smoke, or even zap any part of it, now you're cookin'. (Though zapping might just be reheating something that was cooked previously. Ugh, this is more complicated than it should be. English can be frustrating.)

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Personally I'd define cooking as something that creates an irreversible physical or chemical change using heat.

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[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Ya gotta toast it

[–] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 19 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

No one ever says "I'm cooking a sandwich"

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[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago

Only if making the sandwich involves cooking, like a grill cheese or something

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