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[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 76 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

I think the gap stems from need. Most people only learn what they absolutely need to. My sister and I are just 3 years apart in age. Yet I am pretty familiar with tech, while she knows next to nothing. I was always there to fix whatever broke. Even now she knows that if she needs to watch something, she can just ask me to add it to my Jellyfin server. I often have to remote into her system to fix stuff.

The Gen Z we're talking about here mostly grew up using phones, and phone OSes do their best to hide any complexity away from the user. So they never learnt anything. I'm also technically Gen Z (very early), but growing up in rural India, I had to teach myself how to pirate since streaming wasn't a thing yet (our internet was too slow for that anyway), and the local theater didn't play anything except local mainstream cinema.

[–] __ghost__@lemmy.ml 14 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Jellyseerr is your friend. She can request whatever and you can get alerts to add it. Even if your stuff isn't automated

[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I know about Jellyseerr, but I find it not worth it since there are very few people that send me requests. Messaging apps are enough for that.

[–] __ghost__@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 hours ago

Whatever works for you, simple is always better

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 21 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

Teaching college students, I agree that phones and 'need' are largely the culprit.

Loss of typing skill, trouble shooting skill, and file directory skill.

Better at cameras generally

[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

I also teach college students lol. People can't even figure out how to upload assignments from their phone. Had a student tell me that she broke her laptop, so can't submit an assignment even though it was already written. She was gonna scan it from her phone, airdrop to her laptop, and then upload the files to Canvas. I tried to explain that she can do it on the mobile app for Canvas instead. I eventually had to give up and asked her to drop it at my office. It literally felt like explaining stuff to my ma.

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[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

Congrats on making me want to pull my youngest from public school for a year or so, so I can teach her typing, scripting, the command line, etc ... (also, phonics) ... Blows my mind that TYPING as a late-elementary-school glass is basically gone in our school district, nor is it a class that's even available in middle or high-school.

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

Its definitely not all students and, in reality, I believe every generation has been deskilled to diff degrees. So, while these skills are noticeably worse with Gen z than it is with millennials, many young people I meet come to college with some or all of these skills.

So I think you could go with a less extreme intervention lol

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[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago

Yo Gundam Wing was sick, sweet music

[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 37 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

No most millennials are also too lazy because they stopped giving a shit about computers when it stopped being a requirement to use the internet like 10-15 years ago because smartphones.

Most who did haven't in at least a decade, and wouldn't unless you put a gun to their head.

For some reason the vast majority of people seem to just want to ignore the machines that literally run our society, and its fucking maddening.

FFS the amount of people who I work with in IT and even then don't really give a shit about they're daily computing is absolutely fucking baffling.

Its really just a smattering of people from all ages who actually know how to use a computer because they're actually interested in doing so.

[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 3 points 6 hours ago

I like to think I know how to use a computer, but I mostly use my phone for private stuff. I have a few things running on my PC, but they're all online now in my local network and they have a mobile website through which I interact with them. Even my TV runs a frontend for things on my computer. Computer stuff has become an even broader spectrum of devices and skills than it used to be 20 years ago.

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (3 children)

I'm in this comment, and I don't like it. I still fix "computers" for a living, but when I get home, most days, the last tech I want to interact with is anything more complex than my phone.

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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 152 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (34 children)

I think it's more a generational gap in basic computer skills.

Millennials grew up alongside modern computing (meaning the two matured together). We dealt with everything from BASIC on a C64 to DOS and then through Windows 3 through current. We also grew up alongside Linux. We understand computers (mostly) and the (various) paradigms they use.

Gen Z is what I refer to as the iPad generation (give or take a few years). Everything's dumbed down and they never had to learn what a folder is or why you should organize documents into them instead of throwing them all in "Documents" library and just using search. (i.e. throw everything in a junk drawer and rummage through it as needed).

As with millennials who can't balance a checkbook or do basic household tasks, I don't blame Gen Z for not learning; I blame those who didn't teach them. In this case, tech companies who keep dumbing everything down.

Edit: "Balance a checkbook" doesn't have to mean a physical transaction log for old school checks. It just means keeping track of expenditures and deposits so that you know the money in your account is sufficient to cover your purchases. You'd be surprised how many people my age can't manage that.

[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 59 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

you should organize documents into them instead of throwing them all in “Documents” library and just using search.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 30 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

nobody look at my downloads folder. It's fine. I promise.

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[–] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Millennials grew up alongside modern computing (meaning the two matured together). We dealt with everything from BASIC on a C64 to DOS and then through Windows 3 through current. We also grew up alongside Linux

Only the oldest millenials did. When the youngest were born, the internet and Windows 95 were readily available and they were in middle school when the iPhone came out.

[–] classic@fedia.io 38 points 12 hours ago

I appreciate this measured take. Whenever generational differences get brought up, they oftentimes seemed framed as if generations are biologically different creatures or willfully choosing to be stupid in some sector. In all, or at least must cases, it's what you suggest: people responding and developing based on what the environment has presented them.

[–] Soluna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 10 hours ago

This is part of why I, who am part of Gen Z, am actually really thankful that I didn't get access to iPad until 9 (first gen, it might still be around here somewhere, kinda wonder if it'll ever become a relic) and phone until 13, but did have access to a super old windows computer. It taught me how to install mods in Minecraft. It was astronomically difficult for me at that time with my limited understanding and all the fake green "Download here!" buttons that kept duping me and installing tons of bloatware and even malware onto the PC (yet another reason why AdBlock is a privacy and security concern, honestly deadass don't let kids use a computer without it). But eventually I caught on and got good at identifying the scams from a young age and was able to teach other kids, and even eventually got into command stuff and writing my own mods. I memorized all of the block and item IDs before the flattening, but after that I was so disheartened that all my memorization was useless I kinda just stopped and never got really good at it. But still, just from that alone my computer knowledge was way ahead of other people's around that time, and you might even say it set the foundation for my now linux-using open-source-contributing fediverse-loving self hahaha

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 20 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Trouble is that there are enough millennials who also have absolutely no clue about computers. Between dude-bros who won't touch that nerd shit and girls who got told by their nerd boyfriend's that the computer will start to burn if they click anything besides their allowed icons a vast majority of people are glad if they know how to turn on the computer and print out their document.

Yes, there are probably a lot more computer literate millennials than in other generations. But even there it pretty much depends on family and friends. And in a pirate community on Lemmy most of the people will belong to the tech savvy bubble.

In our friend group even the most computer illiterate kid knew how to set up a LAN without a DHCP server. Their younger siblings had no idea a LAN was even a thing.

My wife's ex always told her that she couldn't understand how to work with a computer. Her older brother who works in IT wouldn't explain anything to her either. They were pretty astonished when they heard that she had installed a GPU by herself (which most people here know is trivial). Which gave her enough confidence to fix her VCR by herself.

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[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 4 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Not exactly, first of all, this is pretty divisive which I dislike, a lot of late Gen z can and has torrented and used ddl sites. It's early Gen z and Gen alpha that is hopeless.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 73 points 12 hours ago (4 children)
[–] bortsampson@hexbear.net 1 points 4 hours ago

All of 4 gen-x usenet users pictured

[–] vulgarcynic@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 hours ago

I'm in this picture and I appreciate it.

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[–] HouseWolf@lemm.ee 82 points 12 hours ago (18 children)

I'm an older GenZ born in the late 90s and I've had to show a few younger peers how to torrent recently.

The idea of you needing a "special" program just for downloading a file seems to throw some of them off.

I do know a few young people are tech/programming wizards but "generally tech savy" people seem to be declining. It's either you're really into it or barely know anything outside popular apps.

One other thing I've noticed, People just seem to be more paranoid about downloading stuff not already installed on their devices. Which its good people give at least a bit of a shit about security but convincing people Firefox isn't a virus gets a bit annoying (Yes I've had that conversation).

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

People just seem to be more paranoid about downloading stuff not already installed on their devices.

I see this as a natural byproduct of Google, Apple, et al. "Walled Garden"

They want you to consume only from them and only what they approve of. Granted Apple is far more on the latter side than Google but even Google fought tooth and nail to keep Epic from having their own store.

I don't interact much with people who are younger than me but I feel like the age of tinkering might not be as strong with them as it was for me. PCs were the predominant form factor and you could literally take it apart and put it back together with just a screwdriver. You can't do that with laptops or phones at least not without a lot of other specialized tools. This isn't their fault either since device manufacturers have really tried to make it difficult to do anything that they don't control.

Hell chrome is the best example of this. Google, whose business is selling your personal data for ads, is preventing the use of ad blockers. Firefox is mostly developed by Mozilla with a small handful of volunteers. It's already showing signs of enshittification. We don't have a viable third option.

It will only be a matter of time before these tech companies start having brain drains due to their own greed.

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[–] odium@programming.dev 17 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I'm gen z born in the early 200xs and I torrent (legal Linux ISOs ofc)

[–] funkajunk@lemm.ee 14 points 9 hours ago

How else are you going to get your hands on the latest build of Hannah Montana Linux?

[–] 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 7 hours ago

I remember having a torrent client set up was a great way to become popular back in 2010

[–] Andrzej3K@hexbear.net 23 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

It's not just a generational thing — most of the millennials who were torrenting 15 years ago (which was a lot of them!) have completely forgotten by now ime. Now I'm longing for the days when 'VLC is the best media player' was common knowledge and not arcana

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[–] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 47 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

I seen teens without being able to make a folder in windows because they only use phones, so.

[–] tate@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I truly hate that phones don't readily have file browsers and folders, and when you do add them, they aren't effective. Mostly that would be useful when moving files between phone and computer. It's not simple even to get the computer to mount the phone's drive, probably because everyone is fine with having all their files "in the cloud."

[–] zod000@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Super annoying because all the earlier smart phones did have all that, even early Android. The OSes just keep getting more dumbed down and locked down to the point that I went from a phone enthusiast to despising all smart phones.

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[–] r00ty@kbin.life 15 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Gen X: Oh, internet eh? So we don't need to keep copying umpteenth generation video cassettes of that dodgy pirate movie any more.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 hours ago

Elder Gen-X: "I spent all weekend making this mix tape off of songs on the radio. I even got London Calling without the DJ!"

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