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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bruhhhhhhh why the fuck couldnt you say that like 1 or 2 months ago? Why last minute?

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In her defense she did say that a couple of times:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/26/kamala-harris-benjamin-netanyahu-us-visit-palestine-israel-gaza-war

But then at times she also said they wont be supporting arms embargo on Israel. Still orders of magnitude better than a lunatic who says he is a actively supporting Israel on doing whatever they want to do:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/10/us-israel-trump-phone-call-netanyahu-gaza-cease-fire-2024-election.html

The fact that some people equate these two candidates based on their Gaza politics is insane.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The only people i kinda get are those with families there. But at the same time my family still voted for the shitty opposition instead of the even shittier leading party when i still lived in hungary even tho their views on trans rights was, lets say, not perfect. This of course mattered because trans rights are the first dominoes and i have a trans family member. So yeah the better option is still better than absolute chaos. Idk why this is so hard to get.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I get that they are angry (rightfully) at the world at doing jackshit against genocide but still on a practical level they are not helping against a party whose supporters think that the middle east should be bombed out of existence. At least many of the democrat supporters are joining weapon embargo and anti war rallies and they will have more power against the government if it's the Democrats.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 1 points 22 hours ago

I agree but i cant really do anything with it. I live like 6000kms from the us. The shit part is that it will effect me as well as other people who cant do shit about it.

[–] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

And I am a prince from Nigeria who will give you money if you send me your information

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 63 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Kind of a day late dollar short scenario

I mean I already voted for Harris because I don't wanna die in a Trump Brand Concentration Camp, but, she really couldn't have said this any fucking sooner?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 day ago (21 children)

She had to wait until the day before the election so that AIPAC doesn't have enough time to ratfuck her for it.

Unfortunately, that's how things work here if you're critical of Israel in any way.

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[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Trump Brand Concentration Camp is very apt. It succinctly expresses that the whole thing exists only for his personal monetary gain and he's escalating to extremes for his grift.

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[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Biden sure said a lot of things, but how much did he actually do?

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If you just had said that two months ago, it would have saved me so mando idiotic conversations...

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 1 points 23 hours ago

Just lie, these assholes don't really care. -US politicians.

What is even the point of doing anything you promise. Just look at all the shit donald trump didn't do and the toughest questions he had to answer was what his hair routine is.

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[–] vatlark@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm sure Netanyahu also wants it to end right after he gets his sadistic goals.

As of mid 2024 the lowest estimate I found was >7000 Palestinian children dead, as compared to a highest estimate of <100 Israeli children dead. Any child dead is too many but it shows that this is not a war, it's a slaughter.

I voted for Harris because any alternative is asinine, but we should expect that the arms shipments to Israel will continue unless we pressure our politicians.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Trump would do the same thing but in his case it means letting Bibi level Gaza and then buying some land to build a tacky resort on it.

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (15 children)

Apparently no one in the comments has been paying attention. She's been saying these same lines about Gaza since the convention speech.

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[–] Juice@midwest.social 60 points 2 days ago (21 children)
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[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 73 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Bibi hates her, so that’s a good start.

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 52 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Considering that him and Trump talk all the time, I would say he isn't excited for Harris. He knows when the war is over, he is fucked. Remember, he tried to remove their supreme court before the war.

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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 83 points 3 days ago (8 children)

I've already voted for her, but I don't believe her.

This is a vague plea for peace without any indication of what things she believes (and more importantly, publicly acknowledges) would be "in her power". Is the limit of her power sternly worded letters, arms embargoes, or intervention? Because I'm pretty sue she's not opening the door for US peacekeeping troops in Gaza, though that would be in her power (at least for a short term).

But like, with Harris we get to see if she's willing to do anything meaningful, and maybe as public sentiment continues to turn against Israel she'll be embarrassed enough to do something. It's not a hopeful position to shoot for, but it is technically better than the alternative, and there other issues at play where the difference is not so limited.

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[–] RalphFurley@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (12 children)

We're not in a vacuum. Two things can be true. She can honestly be pro Israel but also hope the turds that are the Likud Party lose power, work to end the genocide, and find a two-state solution - that is, if Hamas and Bibi will allow it, which they won't.

This binary all-or-nothing, zero sum bs is just toxic and ignorant.

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