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[–] credo@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I believe NYT makes you login, even on a gift link. Here is a TLDR:

President Biden has authorized Ukraine to use U.S.-supplied long-range Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) to strike Russian and North Korean forces in Russia, a significant shift in U.S. policy. This decision comes in response to Russia’s introduction of North Korean troops into the conflict and their anticipated assault on Ukrainian forces in the Kursk region.

The move reflects growing concerns over Ukraine’s ability to withstand simultaneous assaults while defending territory. The authorization aims to bolster Ukraine’s defense, target high-value military assets, and deter North Korean involvement. However, it has sparked debate among U.S. officials over escalation risks, as Russia might retaliate against the U.S. or its allies.

President-elect Donald Trump, who has vowed to reduce U.S. support for Ukraine, is set to take office in two months, adding urgency to the decision. The Ukrainian strategy may include using captured Russian territory in Kursk as leverage in potential future negotiations. Meanwhile, the risk of Russian countermeasures remains a central concern for Biden’s administration and its allies.

My take: I’ve been waiting on this since the US election. It’s sound strategy of we believe Putin won’t want to escalate with NATO before Trump takes office.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The other side of this is that once it's allowed, Trump would have to take it away.

[–] credo@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I think Trump will simply stop sending any new munitions.

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Possible, but other countries that have such weapons are sure to follow and allow the use now.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago

Better late than never, I guess.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

While they won't be able to reach Moscow with these, even from within Kursk, I am willing to bet the authorization was withheld on intelligence grounds. A lot of things in the war make sense if you look at it from the perspective that arms support can't be guaranteed.

Instead of letting Ukraine just burn through weapons, the US and allies have waited until they have the full operational capability to deploy the weapons with extreme effectiveness. They've had ATACMS for a while, so I suspect they held off deep strikes until the most effective targets had been identified and the likelihood of effective strike was near certain.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That's giving everyone involved a lot of credit. To be honest, I sort of doubt these decisions were quite that rational.

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Blindly stumbling along then trying to pretend it was 4D chess all along sounds much more like us

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[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

Kremlin. Go for Kremlin.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Too little, too late. Just allowing it in kursk.

At least uk and france gave ukraine the green for using their weaponry in russia.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago

Yes, there should have never been these ridiculous restrictions.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (13 children)

Too late.

Americans chose to abandon Ukraine when they elected Donald Trump and his Republican enablers.

Russia will win, there will be one less democratic nation on the planet, Russia will expand their borders, and Europe/NATO will be threatened.

Thanks conservatives, 3rd party voters, single issue voters, and non-voters. You really thought this one through.

[–] phx@lemmy.ca 9 points 10 months ago

They failed long before the Trumpanzee was voted in. This is just last moment desperation after they not only failed to support Ukraine, but failed to stop the Russian propaganda and bribery machine in the US.

But, Americans aren't wrong that they also failed long before this. They failed to support the people in favor of corporate interests. They failed to deal stop the Republicans from stacking the courts.

They failed because time and time again, they would rather try to appeal to Republican voters who will NEVER switch sides or change that minds in any significant number, while ignoring the issues that have decimated support with their own base and claiming to have the moral high ground.

Thks isn't just on the people that didn't show up to vote, but also the people in government that let it get to this point by continually failing to act.

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[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 months ago

They only have 300 km range. They are very nice but still. Pretty sure Ukraine has struck further inland with drones.

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Good move by Biden.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 10 months ago

Ah. Some fireworks before the show is over.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

I’m seeing a lot of comments taking this literally or saying why didn’t he do this before –

You all realise this is a very powerful symbolic gesture, right? This is a diplomatic move, not a literal one. The president of the US would never strike at this time in this kind of proxy war, and this is the closest ‘fuck you’ he can issue at Russia (which, again, would not be said aloud).

There’s nothing the US president could do to poke the Russian bear –other than escalate it to a hot war – other than this. This is an outgoing diplomatic move, and that is all.

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