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No state has a longer, more profit-driven history of contracting prisoners out to private companies than Alabama. With a sprawling labor system that dates back more than 150 years — including the brutal convict leasing era that replaced slavery — it has constructed a template for the commercialization of mass incarceration.

Most jobs are inside facilities, where the state’s inmates — who are disproportionately Black — can be sentenced to hard labor and forced to work for free doing everything from mopping floors to laundry. But more than 10,000 inmates have logged a combined 17 million work hours outside Alabama’s prison walls since 2018, for entities like city and county governments and businesses that range from major car-part manufacturers and meat-processing plants to distribution centers for major retailers like Walmart, the AP determined.

https://apnews.com/article/prison-to-plate-inmate-labor-investigation-alabama-3b2c7e414c681ba545dc1d0ad30bfaf5

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[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I thought slavery was bad for capitalism? is this a way to pay people less and have the government pay for their life instead of them?

[–] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 6 points 5 hours ago

Publicise costs, privatise profits!

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 11 points 10 hours ago

"Safe enough to work" bruh half of them are probably there for parole violations for petty crimes 9 years ago

[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 12 points 11 hours ago

"Work makes free", was written on the german concentration camps entries.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 32 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 hours ago

just has more steps now

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 29 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You can hate other empires as well, and I do, but the US has the largest prison population on Earth, and that isn't even per capita. 2 million prisoners. We should all be ashamed of that.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 9 points 9 hours ago

I'm pretty sure you can say it's the largest prison system in history. This documentary from 2015 is named that: https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/biggest-prison-system-history/

[–] ManOMorphos@lemmy.world 34 points 21 hours ago

And you know that small businesses and independent establishments aren't seeing one minute of that free prison labor under their roof. It's all going to large companies with connections to government.

I'm not arguing that either should benefit from effective slave labor, but the fact that the biggest players get this insane advantage just rubs extra salt in the wound.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 41 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Last year I have been learning we are doing everything from the slavery era. It only got renamed.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago

It had a PR campaign, but it's still here. That 13th amendment needs to be amended anew

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 27 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Wait, could I move to the US and rent a sexy inmate for my mansion? To parade in front of my geek friends? And play video games with?

(I mean I'd cruelly punish him of course, being in the US, like I wouldn't put any toppings on his ice cream, or something unusually painful, or whatever the law says you have to do).

[–] HatchetHaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 8 hours ago

i'll do it for free

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh this is delicious. Keep in mind they hate abortion and hate sexual education. It's not a conspiracy any more. They want the poor to be uneducated and reproductive to have a jailed bottom slave minority.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafe 5 points 16 hours ago

Bingpot, indeed!

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 95 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

Yep. And it’s perfectly legal, because the US never banned slavery.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

I think we’re one of the only countries in the world who still has legal slavery. Pretty awful.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

There are a few sharia lands and a bunch of not-yet-sharia lands with like half the population dreaming of it.

Taken together - a huge chunk of the globe.

There are also a few countries where the Western concept of slavery wouldn't work, but with pretty feudal-despotic cultural legacy, like, ahem, Japan and Thailand and what not, which may have something similar to slavery again in future.

So I wouldn't say USA is that different.

And in Russia there are whole small towns functional because of prison colony facilities there where prisoners work.

Still, prisoners working for private companies with prisons collecting their wages, - seems kinda uncomfortably close. Because, yes, if they are safe enough to be let out into society, they are safe enough to not be prisoners.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Anytime you see one of those “silly laws” - stuff about not being able to ride a horse on Sunday or whatever - that’s why. “Vagrancy” laws were basically put in place to funnel black men into legal enslavement.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Why do they call it "land of the free" again?

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Because if you buy a double cheeseburger, fries, and a drink you get another double cheeseburger free.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 3 points 15 hours ago

It's something to do with guns I think.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Cognitive dissonance. Discrimination is illegal, so obviously anyone who experiences it is crazy or lying. Clearly, they should have just followed the law against selling loose cigarettes if they didn’t want to die.

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[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

For the same reason narcissists like to say they're the best.

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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 154 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Yes, convict leasing was designed to be a direct replacement for slavery. It was used that way right after slavery ended when you could arrest a black person for anything you could think of. No job? Arrested, leased. No home? Arrested, leased. Etc....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convict_leasing

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 74 points 1 day ago (4 children)

So slavey never ended! Cool cool. Totally not a corporate dictatorship masquerading as a democracy...

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

the laws never pretended it ended. the thirteenth ammendment very plainly allows it:

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

emphasis mine. it never said you can't have slavery any more, it just said if you're gonna do slavery you have to convict someone first.

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That’s how propagandized Americans are. lmfao They act as if this is some shadowy hidden part of our culture

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 181 points 1 day ago (12 children)

It's legal per the 13th Amendment.

Doesn't make it right, and it says a lot about how little both parties value human rights that it's allowed to stand.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 71 points 1 day ago

Oh, that's nothing. Ever wonder who tough on crime legislation actually benefits, and who's lobbying for it?

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 81 points 1 day ago (8 children)

"dates back more than 150 years"

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Interesting timeframe

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[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I put it to you that this might, with a few tweaks, actually be a step in the right direction. I'd rather be at work than in prison. Community service is a thing. This is clearly coming at it backwards on pretty much every count, but there's a kernel of a good idea in there.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 15 points 20 hours ago

To back you up: In Norway (and quite a few other countries I assume), job training and/or education are typically included in a prison sentence as a way to re-integrate inmates into society. Norway also happens to have one of the lowest repeat offender rates in the world.

Of course, this has to be voluntary on the inmates part, and they have to be paid some compensation for the work they do. I believe a part of the system involves inmates being placed for job training in some company that's willing to employ them, but the government pays their salary, because the employing company is expected to spend resources training them. This also incentivises the company to hire them once they finish doing time, as they've now been trained in the job.

Inmates that are regarded as too dangerous to be outside the prison can typically get jobs within the walls. In Norways highest-security prison, there's a Gardening businesses, where inmates grow all kinds of flowers, and inmates run a shop where people from outside can buy them. It's regarded as a huge success in helping the inmates prepare for an ordinary job.

[–] laserm@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago

Fair enough, but for this to be just it must be voluntary for the prisoner and it must not be used as a motivation to deny parole.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 7 points 23 hours ago

Here, they let you learn for a job instead in prison. Seems the better option, imo.

[–] conartistpanda@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you trust not being put in jail for anything they come up with?

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[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 43 points 1 day ago

America calling slavery slavery challenge impossible!

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