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No state has a longer, more profit-driven history of contracting prisoners out to private companies than Alabama. With a sprawling labor system that dates back more than 150 years — including the brutal convict leasing era that replaced slavery — it has constructed a template for the commercialization of mass incarceration.

Most jobs are inside facilities, where the state’s inmates — who are disproportionately Black — can be sentenced to hard labor and forced to work for free doing everything from mopping floors to laundry. But more than 10,000 inmates have logged a combined 17 million work hours outside Alabama’s prison walls since 2018, for entities like city and county governments and businesses that range from major car-part manufacturers and meat-processing plants to distribution centers for major retailers like Walmart, the AP determined.

https://apnews.com/article/prison-to-plate-inmate-labor-investigation-alabama-3b2c7e414c681ba545dc1d0ad30bfaf5

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[–] Subverb@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago

Really de-incentivises paroling inmates when they're a source of revenue...

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 12 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Trump's "black jobs." We all knew what he meant.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 10 hours ago

I wonder how the other me is doing in the timeline where Kamela Harris said on election night

"What's a black job? President of the United States! You're Fired you son of a bitch!"

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I thought slavery was bad for capitalism? is this a way to pay people less and have the government pay for their life instead of them?

[–] Sludgeyy@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

How is slavery bad for capitalism?

Slavery is amazing for capitalism.

Slavery is cheap labor.

Capitalism loves cheap labor.

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 1 points 12 hours ago

Slaves don't consume much, less people that buy stuff the less income a company would make

[–] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Publicise costs, privatise profits!

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 16 hours ago

Government has provide the bare minimum for the gulag slave so that a corporation can extract nearly all of that sweet surplus value of labour.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago

"Safe enough to work" bruh half of them are probably there for parole violations for petty crimes 9 years ago

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

just has more steps now

[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Work makes free", was written on the german concentration camps entries.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 16 hours ago

Yeah and Lucky got taken to the farm!

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can hate other empires as well, and I do, but the US has the largest prison population on Earth, and that isn't even per capita. 2 million prisoners. We should all be ashamed of that.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure you can say it's the largest prison system in history. This documentary from 2015 is named that: https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/biggest-prison-system-history/

[–] weker01@sh.itjust.works 2 points 13 hours ago

⁠O! say does that star-spangled Banner yet wave,

⁠O'er the Land of the free and the home of the brave?

(Emphasis mine)

America was founded on contradictions.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.[...]"

(Emphasis mine)

Written by a slave owner that had a sexual relationship with his enslaved sister in law. Her father was also the father of his late wife. Both had such affairs after their wives died. He even knew that he held incompatible views. Some say he had moderate views on slavery for the time and wanted it abolished some time in the future but the fact is he profited from slavery including child slavery (also his own children), bought slaves and encouraged slaves to procreate (children born would also be his slaves). His "solution" to slavery was to establish African colonies of American freedmen believing that no joint government would be possible.

[–] ManOMorphos@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago

And you know that small businesses and independent establishments aren't seeing one minute of that free prison labor under their roof. It's all going to large companies with connections to government.

I'm not arguing that either should benefit from effective slave labor, but the fact that the biggest players get this insane advantage just rubs extra salt in the wound.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Last year I have been learning we are doing everything from the slavery era. It only got renamed.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

It had a PR campaign, but it's still here. That 13th amendment needs to be amended anew

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh this is delicious. Keep in mind they hate abortion and hate sexual education. It's not a conspiracy any more. They want the poor to be uneducated and reproductive to have a jailed bottom slave minority.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafe 6 points 1 day ago

Bingpot, indeed!

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 98 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (11 children)

Yep. And it’s perfectly legal, because the US never banned slavery.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

I think we’re one of the only countries in the world who still has legal slavery. Pretty awful.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Anytime you see one of those “silly laws” - stuff about not being able to ride a horse on Sunday or whatever - that’s why. “Vagrancy” laws were basically put in place to funnel black men into legal enslavement.

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

There are a few sharia lands and a bunch of not-yet-sharia lands with like half the population dreaming of it.

Taken together - a huge chunk of the globe.

There are also a few countries where the Western concept of slavery wouldn't work, but with pretty feudal-despotic cultural legacy, like, ahem, Japan and Thailand and what not, which may have something similar to slavery again in future.

So I wouldn't say USA is that different.

And in Russia there are whole small towns functional because of prison colony facilities there where prisoners work.

Still, prisoners working for private companies with prisons collecting their wages, - seems kinda uncomfortably close. Because, yes, if they are safe enough to be let out into society, they are safe enough to not be prisoners.

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[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Wait, could I move to the US and rent a sexy inmate for my mansion? To parade in front of my geek friends? And play video games with?

(I mean I'd cruelly punish him of course, being in the US, like I wouldn't put any toppings on his ice cream, or something unusually painful, or whatever the law says you have to do).

i'll do it for free

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 183 points 2 days ago (9 children)

It's legal per the 13th Amendment.

Doesn't make it right, and it says a lot about how little both parties value human rights that it's allowed to stand.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 72 points 2 days ago

Oh, that's nothing. Ever wonder who tough on crime legislation actually benefits, and who's lobbying for it?

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Government: "WELL ACHSHUALLY, They aren't slaves because they consented...

~under~ ~the~ ~threat~ ~of~ ~23~ ~hour~ ~solitary~ ~confinement~ ~with~ ~zero~ ~amenities~ ~and~ ~nothing~ ~to~ ~do~ ~and~ ~shitty~ ~food~ ~and~ ~absolute~ ~boredom~~,~ ~and~ ~practically~ ~psychological~ ~torture"~

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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 157 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Yes, convict leasing was designed to be a direct replacement for slavery. It was used that way right after slavery ended when you could arrest a black person for anything you could think of. No job? Arrested, leased. No home? Arrested, leased. Etc....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convict_leasing

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 77 points 2 days ago (4 children)

So slavey never ended! Cool cool. Totally not a corporate dictatorship masquerading as a democracy...

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

the laws never pretended it ended. the thirteenth ammendment very plainly allows it:

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

emphasis mine. it never said you can't have slavery any more, it just said if you're gonna do slavery you have to convict someone first.

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That’s how propagandized Americans are. lmfao They act as if this is some shadowy hidden part of our culture

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 82 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"dates back more than 150 years"

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Interesting timeframe

[–] Forester@yiffit.net 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

Meet the new boss. 🎵

Same as the old boss🎵

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[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 44 points 2 days ago

America calling slavery slavery challenge impossible!

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