!yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com definitely has some cases of power tripping
this post was submitted on 04 Jan 2025
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If you trust this person to tell you, and everybody else here, how to speak, then either your speech is worthless to you or this conversation is worthless to you.
here, how to speak then
You missed a closing delimiter on the subclause. Is that still acceptable speech for you?
Actually it ain't. Good, catch
you trust this person to tell you... how to speak
We got a lot of content and vibe modding going on.
This is a classic suppression and steering tactic.
Do you think it's a conscious plan to mindcontrol everybody or is it just a basement dweller treating his mod powers like the ultimate downvote?
Both... And sometimes together. Useful idiot is the best tool for any threat actor.
Most conversations on the internet are worthless or I would even attribute negative value to many of them.
Most? Well not my conversations.
Maybe it's a smalltalk vs "largetalk" thing. Maybe most conversations are smalltalk. Talk that's just friendly noise or whatever.
That is a territory with which I am pretty unfamiliar.
But ya, 2 totally different kinds of talk.
Maybe trolling constitutes a 3rd variety.
I don't think there is much swaying of opinion in online conversations so most conversations is just bluster or time sinks. If anything of value is ever being discussed it is almost certain that astroturfers have infiltrated the conversation and diffused any real action that may have come of it.
Think of reddit. Think of the top 2-3 comments. There are a mountain of comments under those that just fade into obscurity. Their could be someone on reddit posting the "meaning of everything" on every post that hits r/all and it's been virtually censored by just the sheer amount of garbage spam that thoses post will receive. Gaurenteed the posts with the most engagement have been artificially boosted.
I do this constantly and get challenged a lot. The people challenging my ideas and thoughts arent trying to convince me of anything. They are trying to wear me down, that's the strategy. If that's what we are up against then nothing good will ever come out of these spaces.
You see us as customers, by your own words. So much for community. Trying to misplace and simplify the situation using this metaphor this way is basically also another way of justifying not even ostracization, but autocracies as communities.
I see myself as a customer.
In my personal experience, the people I see posting to !modabuse@lemmy.sdf.org deserved the actions the mods took, and are looking to whine to someone.
A majority sure but probably not too much beyond 60%. There’s a lot of pretty evident bad behavior on the mods side
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Thanks!
It's a very mixed bag, dependently largely on the personal views of the moderators at-large relative to the speakers. For the most part, the mods at .world seem egalitarian and amicable to liberalish dissenting views. We haven't seen a slew of censorship/bannings over arguments about veganism or Israel/Palestine or capitalism vs socialism.
But the "y'all deserve to get banned" mentality is largely tied up in the idea that their ideas are bad for being outside the spectrum of your allowable discourse. Meanwhile, a community like .ml or Truth Social doing a censorship/ban on content is morally repugnant because its limiting conversations that are inside the spectrum of your allowable discourse.
The technical mechanics of these communities are the same, everyone's just arguing where the lines should be drawn.
Not to be that guy, but exactly what kind of conversation are we supposed to have with fascists and people openly calling for an end to both your and my liberties?
Ideas are debatable, but there's no debating that we all deserve to live and to exist. But I've ever only encountered far too many people from the right openly calling for the opposite of that. My own existence to them is offensive and worthy of murder. I want to have no conversation with such people, but you seem to be willing to tolerate that for the sake of "just having a conversation".
what kind of conversation are we supposed to have with fascists and people openly calling for an end to both your and my liberties?
Depends heavily on who you're dealing with. Obviously, very hard to talk to a cop in the middle of cracking your skull open. But a lot of Americans are polarized into fascism through mass media and other forms of propaganda. You have to talk to them like you'd talk to anyone else. And you have to get them disconnected from the fascist media stream as best you can.
It's less about a specific conversation and more about building trust relative to their mass media of choice. No single thing you say is going to outweigh a daily dose of right wing agitprop. So divorcing people from that mass media has to be the first step, either by keying them in on how and why the network is uncomfortable to listen to or by engaging them with alternatives.
there’s no debating that we all deserve to live and to exist.
The fascist theory is, at it's heart, that egalitarian coexistence is impossible. You are in a tribal war of domination and you either win or you die.
The counter has to be evidence to the contrary. Introducing friends and family to people who are "the enemy" but are clearly no threat. Reminding them of who they're being asked to reject.
As a newly-appointed moderator myself, I think "customer service representatives curating a space" is going a little too far. I see myself more as a janitor taking out the trash while doing my best to leave all the art alone, whether I like it or not.
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And sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.
What do you do when that happens? What guides do you look to?
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No, they're usually just power tripping. When certain people get even a modicum of power, real or imagined, they become full-on dictators at superluminal velocities. There's some crossover with powerless people seeking revenge on the world at large (or any piece of it) for their misfortune or flights against them, real or imagined. I don't have any data on the ratios but my gut instinct wild-ass guess is that at least 25-33% fall into the tinpot tyrant category.
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I agree with you.
But can we let the Karen thing go now? It's been long enough
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“The ultimate test of a society’s freedom is not how it treats its good, obedient, compliant citizens; it’s how it treats its dissidents.” - Glenn Greenwald
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As a head CSR for my job : no mod I've ever seen is anything close to providing customer service and it's hilarious that you'd even think that in passing
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