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[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 338 points 1 week ago (6 children)

It's not like there's a state border check for vehicle emissions. You can visit California in a non-California car without an emissions check. Joy's claim doesn't make sense even before fact checking.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 136 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There is a border check entering CA but they only ask about fruits and vegetables.

[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 76 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Wow it's true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Border_Protection_Stations

I don't think any other US state has checkpoints. This is a surprise to me.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 82 points 1 week ago

California grows like 40% of the vegetables for the entire country. So they're very protective of their agriculture.

[–] Carvex@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Florida has a checkpoint for plants and possible invasive species, definitely not for firetrucks helping people though.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bugs trying to get in to Florida?

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[–] Pieisawesome@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are. Especially for commercial vehicles:

[–] SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

A lot of states have checkpoints for vehicles towing boats. Need to check for invasive water creatures.

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[–] plz1@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's meant to sow discord, not be fact checked or taken seriously by critically-minded people. It's meant to rile up the MAGA's.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

It makes sense to people who have never left their hometown, like most of her audience.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 153 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

This is a great example of the importance of teaching people critical thinking skills.

If you stop to analyze what was written in this sensationalized post rather than acting on your emotions, the first question that should come into mind is "who stopped them?". There are no checkpoints between Oregon and California where cars are turned away from crossing state lines due to emissions. In fact, that would probably violate federal free travel laws which would supercede any stupid law like that.

Next, consider the source. Is this person trustworthy? Did they provide ample citations to reputable journalistic outlets that verified the factuality of the claims? If not, they may be trying to deceive you with falsehoods or have an ulterior motive for misrepresenting the facts. At best they are repeating claims that they've heard from others and anything they report on should be taken with a grain of salt.

This post doesn't hold up to the slightest amount of scrutiny, but people get fooled every day by crap like this. My advice is that if you hear something that sounds outrageous or too good to be true, stop and think carefully about it for a few minutes, or maybe just wait for another source to report it. Saves you a lot of stress and protects you from endlessly doomscrolling.

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 71 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The firetrucks were allowed through but Haitian immigrants ate them!

You expect too much from these people, and an increasing share of them aren't genuine people at all.

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[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 58 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

A friend of mine posted something on Facebook (reposted from a local list in Arizona) claiming that two people were knocking on doors and beating up people, and one woman was in the hospital as a result. Pictures of the perpetrators and everything.

Something felt off, so I did a quick search on their names. And I found an article from some city in Texas where the same rumor had been circulating about that area. The article clarified that the two people had committed some crimes several years ago and were caught, tried, and convicted already.

So someone took one of these, changed the name of the area, and posted it to the local list. Why do people do this? A form of stochastic terrorism maybe?

Edit - I can't find the post (I think my friend deleted it), but I did still have a tab open with the article about it.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have noticed this as well. Back during the early facebook years, a "news" outlet would just generate content by posting stories like "Greenville ranked as the city with highest crime rate" every week or so.

Everybody on my facebook feed would go crazy saying things like "I always knew that town was dangerous, but to hear it outranks New York? TERRIFYING!"

Only issue is that this outlet would have 50 different URLs for the article, all giving a city in a different state (always an immigrant heavy suburb) and those articles would be appear around facebook and nobody would know the wiser.

It costs almost nothing for them to rewrite the world and your perspective about it. The granularity they are now capable of should give us pause.

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[–] valtia@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

“who stopped them?”. There are no checkpoints between Oregon and California

.. actually, there are checkpoints along every major roadway into California that do check incoming vehicles, mostly to find and prevent invasive species from entering the state and affecting the agricultural industry, and more broadly to protect the environmental systems in California. There have, in fact, been legal challenges against these checkpoints for violating travel laws, but the checkpoints have remained. They've also been used to seize non-agricultural items like weed, weapons smuggling, etc. so emissions standards checking isn't completely out of the realm.

Obviously, she's lying and she doesn't know any of this either anyway. But there are checkpoints to enter California.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Border_Protection_Stations

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[–] skip0110@lemm.ee 143 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The original post has 58k views, the correct information has 2k. That is the level of efficiency that site has in disseminating correct information.

[–] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The timestamps imply the correct information is less than an hour old in that screenshot

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[–] Naich@lemmings.world 129 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Too late. It's already become true, and another example of wokeness for your racist uncle to bang on about.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 84 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is exactly why so many things just feel hopeless to me. The worst people have caught on to, and the parrots don't even realize, that you can just say literally anything and the occupants of your echo chamber will believe it immediately and then refuse to believe whatever reality actually is if it is presented to them by literally any other "outsider."

Hell even someone of the "in-group" who is not substantial enough will be outed as an "other" if they dare go against the initial message.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The knock-on effects of this also concern me. Largely, the only effective way I've seen to battle disinformation is to retreat to smaller spaces. The intensity and engagement driven content loop on all the major platforms just fuels the fire. Ultimately, to achieve a better admin:user ratio where the admins aren't idiots. While I wax nostalgic about my former BBS days, it feels like a giant step backwards to that. The quality on content is there and signal:noise ratio is sublime, but the amount of information, level of discourse, and widespread geographic socialization, isn't.

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Since the election, I've retreated from most news sources and reddit. I kind of realized that more or less every headline was either a lie, clickbait, or blowing up a story that largely doesn't matter. I honestly haven't felt more relaxed in years.

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[–] lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone 83 points 1 week ago (4 children)

how do we even come back from this

[–] knightly@pawb.social 56 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

At the risk of being called an accelerationist, the fact of the matter is that the only way out is through.

[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I just assume things cannot be controlled, there is no direction, and the majority of the human race will be swimming in lies, disinformation and cat memes fur generations

[–] pufferfischerpulver@feddit.org 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fur real? I think you're purrbably right.

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[–] Feelfold@lemm.ee 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The French had a similar issue in the tail end of the 1700's, perhaps we could draw inspiration from their work.

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[–] digdilem@lemmy.ml 73 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

America does not care about truth. Worse, it actively discourages truth.

Lying is accepted. Making up facts that suit your narrative and shouting down anyone who disagrees gets you rewarded with the highest position of state.

We, the rest of the world, are just watching you guys in horror.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (5 children)

At Least half of us are basically watching in horror from inside.

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[–] IDrawPoorly@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

America does not care about truth

Show me a country with social media and I'll show you people who value making their political opponents 'look like fools' by lying.

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[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 63 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Anyone politicizing the fires from the comfort of a place that isn’t burning to the ground, should immediately shut the fuck up.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago

Personally I would go so far as to say that people politicizing the fires from a place that is burning to the ground should probably also immediately shut up and flee the building.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 57 points 1 week ago (8 children)

This is not "false" this is just "pants on fire lying"

This person should not have the freedom to speak publicly anymore

Screw freedom of expression as we currently have it. Freedom of expression should become a right with responsibility. if you can't be responsible, you can't have the right. You either speak the truth or don't get to speak to groups, period

I'm SO done with literally everyone and everything lying with zero repercussions. Companies lie, all fine. Politicians lie like there is no tomorrow and that's fiiiiine, even Obama lied like 25% and that's fiiiiine, trump literally lies 99% of the time and it's all fine! Nothing happens, so we just lie more and more and you can't trust anything or anyone anymore

Freedom of expression on the internet was a big mistake

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.

Driving Californians (particularly the wealthy and well-connected Malibu celebrity class) insane with rage and paranoia, then pointing them at the milquetoast liberal stand-ins for Far-Left Radicalism, will do to California what it did to New York, Texas, and Florida.

Just a matter of time before the right-wing propaganda machine crushes the brains of the enfranchised class. I'm already hearing my mother-in-law blame the stupid Los Angelinos for raising her own home insurance rates. And more than a few coworkers are smugly insisting this is what a DEI fire department gets you.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Being a Republican allows you to be a smug.Asshole and call it politics

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Its not the Republican-ism that comes first. You have to sell people on the "I'm exceptional" mentality first, then insist they're being exploited by their inferiors. Malibu celebrities are a target rich environment for this kind of delusional elitism.

Expect a lot more Californians going on Joe Rogan and making up tall tales about how the fire was caused by poors and illegals stealing all the good firefighting water, while the state refused help for some arcane bureaucratic reasons related to The Fairness Doctrine.

[–] justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 26 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Nevermind that there is a legitimate argument that deregulation made the fire as bad as it is.

Because one of the things deregulated in the LA area was the building of homes in high fire risk areas. like the ones currently on fire.

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[–] superkret@feddit.org 36 points 1 week ago

2100 retweets on the lie.
33 on the truth.

[–] mke@programming.dev 33 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This stupid bitch has since deleted the tweet and gotten back to it like it's another Tuesday. OSFM had to put out a statement correcting it. I hate people.

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 32 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It's an tragic fact that correcting a lie is hugely more costly than making and spreading the lie.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Why the fuck you lying? Stop fucking lying. Why you always lying?

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[–] don@lemm.ee 23 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Mila Joy fucks DONKEYS*.

Mila Joy is a HORSE FUCKER*.

Leave Xhitter while you can.

*It’s true, because lols

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[–] Bieren@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

I can’t believe Biden and Obama started these fires. With their energy weapons. And now they aren’t doing anything to put them out. Trump would have had the fires out before they started. The dems aren’t even using aircraft or people….those videos on the news are fake AI.

-Some MAGA probably

[–] MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I like the idea that someone mid fighting the fires, put down thier hose to reposnd to the tweet

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 19 points 1 week ago (15 children)

I mean I wouldn't ever live in California, but not because of what these talking maga skin piles keep saying. I just revise to live in a disaster-prone region. I mean California has a fire season. Fuuuuuck that. Same goes for hurricane territory.

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[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Right wingers haven't cared about the truth for decades. It's just now they don't care whether we know it or not. Just think back to Trump's first term and "alternate truths" and all that. They don't care anymore. They believe what they want to believe, and no amount of facts or reasoning is going to change it.

But yes, everyone lies. Some people just more than others and some will lie to your face with a smirk on their face knowing damn well you know they're lying.

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Like it's stupid how easy it is to make up misinformation and disinformation, compared to how much effort it takes to refute it. Humanity is doomed.

I could just as easily say: "The Oregon fire department couldn't get to the fires in time because they had been stopped by immigrant caravans, woke transgender hitchhikers and antifa mobs!!!!!!"

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

The problem is that the original tweet will have been seen by many more users than the reply. And knowing what the public is like...

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