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[–] yogaxpto@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

Not probably, a human riding a bicycle is the most efficient way to convert energy into movement. No other vehicle or animal can be as efficient.

[–] TDCN@feddit.dk 6 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

Someone can probably do the math, but i have a hunch that humans are technically not very fuel efficient if you look at calories burned pr the total mass being moved along.

But whatever it is biking is awesome, but being technically correct is even better.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 51 minutes ago (1 children)

Humans are actually unusually energy efficient for mammals when walking and even more so when cycling. Here's a little info graphic showing a breakdown.

One thing to keep in mind if you have a dog is they're less energy efficient than humans. While dogs can run faster, a reasonably fit human can easily out distance an equally fit dog when walking or distance running.

[–] TDCN@feddit.dk 2 points 44 minutes ago* (last edited 42 minutes ago) (1 children)

Nice graphic. ~~But it seems like it doesn't factor in kg of mass moved. A human and a bike is a lot lighter than a car or a horse. You could also argue that the vehicle weigh should be ignored but then again you could easily argue back that weight of goods move can possibly be a lot higher with a car if you load it up to capacity~~. Ignore that. I did not see it said 5 riders for the car

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 33 minutes ago* (last edited 32 minutes ago)

It still doesn't give us kcal•km^-1^•kg^-1^ (or an equivalent), which is what I was looking for. We could do some math to get us some loose estimates, though. I'll do exactly that and report back shortly.

[–] theoli@startrek.website 4 points 50 minutes ago

Quick math shows I am quite a bit more efficient than a Nissan Juke traveling 150 miles at 19mph. About 50kcal/pound for the car and 8kcal/pound for me+bike to travel the distance.

[–] TheButter_ItSeeps@lemmy.world 1 points 37 minutes ago

I feel like 'total mass being moved' is irrelevent if most of that mass is useless (car motor/metal frame/plastic/etc).

Even if a car motor was more efficient per kg, most of the work is wasted on moving the actual car itself, regardless of the passengers & cargo.

Bikes clearly use less energy to displace 'useful mass' than a car, so they are more efficient in that sense.

[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

I'm disabled in a way that means I can't use one, but can use a car, which kinda sucks.

Fortunately bike infrastructure usually helps me in my chair, so I'm all in favor of wider bike adoption.

[–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 3 points 1 hour ago

I don’t know your limitations, but you’d be surprised at the number of ways cycling can be made accessible.

For example, there are handbikes that attach to a wheelchair. As with all assistive tech it depends on your specific situation what is possible.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago

That blows. Glad the infrastructure helps your chair get around, though. Also, every biker not using a car gives you more space, so that's an additional plus

[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 15 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Welcome to the Netherlands. If there's anything that fills me with pride it's our cycling culture. Most people have a car too, but I don't, and I do everything by bike and public transport.

[–] vandsjov@feddit.dk 1 points 1 hour ago

Denmark checking in. Not unusual for people in the city not to have a car. I’m happy with my bike that I use every workday to cycle into the city centrum in all weather - I love dressing myself up in rain boots, rain paints and rain jacket and be on my way in heavy rain or snow, feeling like I’m in an episode of Deadliest Catch

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 14 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

Arrive to work soaked in sweat because it's been 100+ degrees every day for the past 8 weeks.

[–] knexcar@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

You lose the benefits of it being cheap, but an ebike is a decent solution

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

I rode one for a while in college.

Didn't really help with the sweat problem between April and October in Texas. Or was less work than pedaling, but nothing aside from air conditioning helps with the sweat issue in Texas summer heat.

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[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

Well, that is largely caused by cars.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Workplaces that require employees to be presentable then offer locker rooms, showers, and enough reasonable time to get ready to accommodate the fact that everyone who works a service job arrives soaked in sweat.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

"Just leave it anywhere there is a secure structure" - Yes, I see this regularly when I have to maneuver around bikes carelessly "parked" in the middle of the pedestrian walkway...

[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The one downside is that a lot of people I know have had some nasty accidents and broke a bone or something. Sure, in cars you are also at the risk of kissing a tree at highway speed, but bike accidents feel a lot more common and have a lot less protective metal involved

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

I've known a few people killed in car accidents. I know lots of people who have had bike accidents, but none of them died, and the only ones with serious injuries were when they got hit by a car.

[–] the_doktor@lemmy.zip -1 points 41 minutes ago (1 children)

Enables people with mobility issues

Allows people to move about farther than just a few miles or so

Allows people to transport a lot of goods (and/or heavy goods) easily

Doesn't make you exhausted if you have to go up hills

AIR CONDITIONING/HEATER

Fuck your walkable/bike nightmare "utopia".

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 2 points 36 minutes ago

I agree with your points, trains are fucking awesome too.

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I used to love to bike but I moved to an area with steep hills and it’s too high effort. Maybe fine for exercise but I always used them for transport and you can’t arrive at work or a music lesson drenched in sweat. Wish they would install those hill lifts some countries have. I walk now. Would love an electric but the expense makes it much more painful when it’s stolen (and every one of my regular bikes has eventually been stolen).

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