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[–] drdabbles@lemmy.world 56 points 2 years ago

Right, nearing mass production is what we call it when their PR department announced just a couple weeks ago that they're delaying the project until 2025, and they've been working on it for a decade.

These posts need to stop. Their only purpose is to lead gullible people on while the company desperately wishes for a magical fix to all their problems.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'll believe it when it's actually in production. Toyota has been making claims about this for a long time now and it always seems to be "just a few years" away.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's where I am, too. We've been hearing that fully practical electrification of transportation is Just Around The Corner! since the '90's. I'm still waiting for it to actually happen.

But I'm ready. Bring it on already.

On the bright side, with several almost completely practical BEV's on the market already we're much closer than we've ever been.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Thing is, if you're willing to go down to a Geo Metro type of car, BEVs would have been easily viable quite some time ago. Safety demands (for the passengers, not pedestrians) have made it impossible to remake anything like the Geo Metro, and general market trends have pushed cars even bigger and heavier. Meanwhile, we've increased pedestrian deaths with all these huge cars.

One of the biggest problems in the BEV market right now isn't the technology, but that manufacturers focused on gigantic luxury SUVs and trucks first.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yep, thankfully there's more manufacturers trying to make it work. Samsung sounds promising

Other companies have also made progress recently. Chinese battery maker CATL revealed it was preparing to mass-produce its semi-solid batteries before the year’s end, while South Korea’s Samsung SDI has completed a fully automated pilot line for solid-state batteries.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A Samsung car would have pop-up ads on the windshield

[–] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 years ago

And parts to repair it be unavailable after a year

[–] AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Toyota president Koji Sato also admitted that production volumes of solid-state batteries were likely to be small when the company rolls them out in electric vehicles as early as 2027. “I think the most important thing at the moment is to put out [the solid-state batteries] into the world and we will consider expansion in volume from there,” he said.

SOOOOO not really close.. another press release hyping this up. How small is SMALL? Hundreds?

They clearly are still having trouble scaling production of this technology. It has EXISTED for some time but isn't of use to cars if they can't make hundreds of thousands of them.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

they're using the promise of better batteries to make people reconsider buying full electric vehicles now. I expect it to be exactly like fusion, always a few years away.

[–] Bjornir@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Commercial fusion is not a few years away, and I've never seen the claim apart from deranged individuals on Twitter. If everything goes to plan, commercial fusion won't be here for a few decades.

What the claim may have been is experimental fusion, which does exist right now, we have generated power using fusion, and we even made more power than we put into it recently. It's moving, but it's slow, as planned for the last few decades.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago

And even that "more power than we put into it" comes with a big asterisk. The power being output by the laser is smaller than the power being output by fusion. Big lasers tend to be grossly inefficient things. We'll need at least 10 times the output in order to generate enough to power the laser. That's not even considering the power usage of the facility around it.

So, yeah, we're at least a few years away from enough power for the laser to sustain itself, at least a few more to be able to run the facility and still have net power, and then at least a decade after that to get to commercialization.

[–] drdabbles@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Not even a press release, but an FT post. Which is worth less than a press release somehow.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Wtf is this linked to? A good dozen tries and I can’t pass the captcha? Am I just a sentient robot who is unaware or this a mechanical Turk thing where I’m helping some bot pass l

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[–] millifoo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Same here - not sure if this is a cloudflare problem, but i've been getting these more and more. I'm on a Mac, I'm pretty darn sure I don't have a virus, so I don't know what's going on.

Never did get to the article, btw.

[–] sky@codesink.io 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Do you use Cloudflare DNS (1.1.1.1)? They block it because they remove some trackable information from requests.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Not intentionally, but I’m on iOS which ma becrelevant

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[–] TvanBuuren@feddit.nl 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Someone enlighten me: what is a non-solid-state battery?

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A lithium-ion battery is composed of cathode, anode, separator and electrolyte. Lithium-ion batteries for smartphones, power tools and EVs uses liquid electrolyte solution. On the other hand, a solid-state battery uses solid electrolyte, not liquid.

https://www.samsungsdi.com/column/technology/detail/56462.html

[–] TvanBuuren@feddit.nl 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I was unaware that a lithium battery was liquid.

TIL, thank you, kind Lemmer.

[–] fuzzy_feeling@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If you puncture one with a nail or something, you can see the liquid drip out... /s

[–] UristMcHolland@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

If you can look past the fire and toxic fumes

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago

It's pretty tasty too, but quite spicy

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Liquid in the scientific sense, it's more of a paste. Lithium hexafluorophosphate(aka LiFPO) mixed with Dimethyl carbonate or Diethyl carbonate which are just there to float the Lithium between the plates without letting it burst into flame from any humidity that might happen to reach in.

[–] Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Wake me when it happens

[–] RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Very interested to see what things look like not when it releases but a few years after.