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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 174 points 1 week ago (43 children)

IANAL but in my reading of the text of the bill the only way for a married woman that took her partner's last name (that wasn't in the military with her married name) to be able to vote if this becomes law is for them to spend at least $30 to get a USA Passport card. This would tick all the boxes the bill requires for these women:

  • Government ID
  • Shows citizenship status (by nature of it being a Passport)
  • Shows place of birth
  • Shows the married last name

...or as I'm calling it:

This is violation of the 24th Amendment banning poll Taxes.

In this case, its a required fee married women must pay to be able to use their Constitutional guaranteed right to vote granted by the 19th Amendment. How is this not a poll tax by another name on married women?

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 37 points 1 week ago

Worse getting the card is a major pita with the documentation and photo and having to mail it for first time.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

At this point the constitution is more of a guideline.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

It always seems to me that this wouldn't be such a big problem if the US had a working bureaucracy. I know $30 can be a significant sum (plus the pictures and other expenses) but it would be less of a hurdle if

  • relevant offices were within reasonable distance
  • they were sufficiently manned
  • all or part of the process could be done online
  • the government actually strives to make these processes as user-friendly as possible

This is something Americans rarely talk about because it's just assumed that everybody knows? Maybe somebody could explain to a EU dweller.

edit: maybe I didn't phrase this properly. I'm fully aware that preventing people from voting has a long "tradition" in the US; my question was more general I guess, and meant as an "in addition to the points already mentioned".

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Consider this too. A woman has all of her ducks in a row with her married last name, and then divorces her POS republican husband. Now she needs to re-establish her identity all over again.

For the ladies out there (or anyone getting married) keep your last name. My partner kept theirs, and it tickles them pink when the systemic chauvinism gets reversed and I get called by their last name.

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[–] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 151 points 1 week ago (23 children)

I love how they never once mention in the article that Republicans wrote the bill, proposed it, and 100% of them voted in favor of it.

But, despite all that...the headline still reads, "Democrats passed it".

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 160 points 1 week ago

Because we expect that from Republicans. It’s the democrats defecting that is the worrisome part.

[–] libra00@lemmy.world 98 points 1 week ago (12 children)

The fact that Republicans want to take away peoples' ability to vote isn't really news, but the fact that any Democrats supported it is.

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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Try to primary them and see how fast the Democratic establishment is to come to their defense. "Democrats" is fair. Not all Democrats, but the party establishment is rotten.

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[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 120 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (38 children)

“Four democrats passed this,” but we are just going to ignore the 216 conservatives that passed it?

So when do we get to start calling bullshit like this propaganda?

[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 47 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Everyone already knows all the republicans supported it; anything under their jurisdiction is already a lost cause. What I want to know is how many people from the "left" party can't even keep their own votes on the right side of history. It's not news when villains are villains - it's news when the people who say they're here to fight back against the villains are caught supporting them, and it's important not to drown out that important detail among a bunch of already-known regressives. People need to see that the current democratic party isn't a viable defense against conservativism, and that we need to do something more to get things moving in the right direction again than simply trusting democrats to fix everything.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (25 children)

Everyone expects the scorpion to stab the frog, it's in its nature.

Everyone expects Republicans to be totally corrupt monsters.

The people we are supposed to depend on to fight monsters keep helping them pass bills when they could be blocking them.

This means they are complicit. There's always enough traitors to make the bad things pass, never enough cooperation to make the good things pass when they have a majority.

The Democrats have been playing this game for too long and it's saf you haven't started to notice too.

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[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

People expect the representative they voted for to vote how they want. Conservatives' representative voted as they wanted. Whereas Democrats' representative voted against their wishes. Hence the outrage.

This is a simplistic explanation, 4 Democratic representative might have voted as their constituents have demanded.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My initial reaction to this headline was: "what now?", and my first reaction on reading the article was "oh, it's a continuation of the horror show that calls itself US government - not actually something that four democrats are responsible for"

So I'm totally with you. Stop the sanewashing of the continued and systematic madness rising to ever new heights of depravity, should be the headline.

Republicans built the foundation for what's happening now for decades, and it was always like you said in your other comment: "Conservatives have survived on their ability to never be held accountable for what they do." Well, slightly more differentiated.

This bill is yet another voter supression tool. This is what they ultimately want: you have to be rich, male, of a certain ethic, and "white" to have a say. And they're almost there. If voting was really made easy for everyone, do you really think the GOP would still win?
This is yet another piece of codified and systemic racism, misogyny, homo- and transphobia, richism.
The hollowing out of what was once a working, relatively democratic system to a point where even the empty shell is starting to break up.

All that said, Democrats should start wielding what power they have (both in the government and in media, public opinion etc.) way more decisively. Between elections we must talk about how fucked up both parties are.

This comment (from this post) puts it best imho:
https://lemmy.world/comment/16414382
https://feddit.org/post/10702307/6001640

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[–] goofus@lemmy.today 97 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Jared Golden, Marie Gluesenkamp Perez, Henry Cuellar, and Ed Case

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Marie Gluesenkamp Perez sold out the US on another important vote at some point in the recent past. Her name was unique enough to remember. Are the other three also habitual free agents?

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[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 78 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No Democrat should vote for a single Nazi bill, ever.

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[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago

they are called collaborators. Nazi Collaborators..

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (3 children)

IT FUCKING PASSED?

We have long crossed the Rubicon.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (14 children)

It passed the house a few days ago, from my understanding it is less likely to pass the Senate

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[–] dick_fineman@discuss.online 31 points 1 week ago (10 children)
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[–] Houseman@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (38 children)

Pretending to be a democrat seems to be more and more common. We need a way to vet them.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fuck vetting. We need a way for citizens to recall these lying fuckers.

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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 25 points 1 week ago (5 children)

They ONLY did That because they had NO CHOICE! If you WANT them to NOT Vote for it you have to DONATE and VOTE! Well maybe Not VOTE anymore if you're a Woman or Disabled or in a Rural Area or Poor but DEFINITELY DONATE!

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 23 points 1 week ago

im not surprised these DINOs are here, theres like 10 in then senate and probably just as many in the house.

[–] LMurch@thelemmy.club 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

But that means something like 204 democrats voted against. Maybe if those 4 hadn't of supported the bill, it might have failed, but you can't blame the democrats for a shitty bill when 97% voted against.

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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (26 children)

Democratic leadership is a joke. Jefferies and Schumer need to step down. This is pathetic.

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[–] Gowron_Howard@lemm.ee 21 points 1 week ago

Wonder how much they’re getting paid?

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