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"This is really going to impact institutions that we take for granted," Internet Archive director of archiving and data services Jefferson Bailey told the Standard, "like our museums, our historical societies, our public libraries, our academic libraries — just a lot of people that keep information free and accessible and online."

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[–] mortenrb@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

If you can, donate to them, even just a dollar. The Internet Archive is critical for preserving history! Heck, try to lobby your politicians to donate to them if you're outside of the U.S. (because that probably wouldn't work inside the US nowdays)

[–] vandsjov@feddit.dk 17 points 18 hours ago
[–] hedhoncho@lemm.ee 36 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Ugh some asshole who’s only going to live a century depriving an endless future of historical knowledge. Musk needs to be detained and imprisoned.

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

Yes, "detained." And "imprisoned." ☠️

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wished we hadn't voted for him. Wait a minute...

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

If you are USian, you did vote for him, either by voting, by not voting, or by not doing enough to prevent it. We on the outside of the US dystopia do get to suffer the consequences without having voted either way.

[–] plantmoretrees@lemm.ee 30 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He is literally a foreign terrorist. Deport his ass!

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago

Deport? Dude he is still a man of serious means. It won't stop him. He needs to be put in a supermax prison and in isolation. It is an intensely cruel punishment but the only appropriate one.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 5 points 20 hours ago

ironically hes from a country thats currently being influenced by russia too.

[–] power@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago

they already faced cyber attacks now this? i mean, what can i say that hasn't already been said? keep on fighting for democracy!

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago

Modern book burnings create a lot less smoke and noise.

[–] TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago

They also have a merch store: https://store.archive.org/

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 88 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Musk should really be removed from power.

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 3 points 15 hours ago

He should join a Mario game as the second player.

[–] Uppp@lemm.ee 20 points 1 day ago

Musk should be removed entirely. He has gone completely authoritarian.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 day ago

no one voted him in power in the first place, doesnt that go directly against democracy too?

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Vacation to El Salvador. Permanent.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 20 hours ago

CECOT or gitmo.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Isn't he an illegal? Oh he isn't and you say he has papers? Oops! Sorry, cannot get him back, we don't have that kind of power, shrug emoji!

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

I didn't see any papers 👊 🇺🇸 🔥

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

he got in on a J-visa, so did his brother, he did something long enough so that him or his brother could permanently stay in the country. he allegedly was going to grad school? but quickly abandoned it once he got his citizenship.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 80 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Isn't it weird how "doge" just goes after anything that actually benefits people?

[–] vandsjov@feddit.dk 2 points 18 hours ago

They are just after things that doesn’t benefit them

[–] iowagneiss@midwest.social 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To be replaced by something privately funded, if at all.

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[–] witnessbolt@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago

He's a loser. As are all his "dark enlightenment" apartheid neo-Nazi bootlickers :-)

[–] portnull@lemmy.dbzer0.com 83 points 1 day ago (3 children)

They used to burn books. Now they just defund information storage services.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 20 hours ago

sounds like the same thing.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 37 points 1 day ago (6 children)

You know what is so ironic? I remember not that long ago (OK, like 20 years ago...) that once something was on the internet, it is there forever as long as file sharing and multiple hosts do it... but it has become abundantly clearly that, despite the fact that it can be REALLY hard to get shit off the internet, it doesn't make it impossible. We've already seen it happen. The truth is, there is so much stuff that people DON'T widely share, and even then, the interest in their sharing in a torrent style is limited (I once downloaded leaked emails regarding transphobic propagandists talking to one another and while I kept seeding for almost a year, I barely got anyone downloading), that it is actually possible to make large amounts of stuff just vanish.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think the real point of the adage, "once it's on the internet it's there forever" is more about the fact that you, personally, can't take it back. Someone might of screenshot, downloaded it, reuploaded it elsewhere. The real meaning being that, once it's on the internet, you no longer control it. Which I think still holds true, but it definitely was heavily implied that it would be there forever.

[–] portnull@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago

Pretty much this. Once you put it on the internet it's out of your control. It might disappear, it might not. Best just to assume it won't. Unless it's useful information, then it probably will.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've seen several examples of things wiped before, so I've always been a bit skeptical of that adage. I've seen several niche forums, or even forums of small newspapers - just go completely offline.

It might be these are still sitting around on backups somewhere and will some day come to light and be hosted by some entity in an open format...

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I made forum posts going as far back as 2000. Almost all of them are gone forever due to the reasons you mentioned. Even the wayback machine might have a snapshot of the forum, but not the threads made them, and not the posts made within those threads.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 20 hours ago

i started joining forums in late 2000s when i was in CC, those were og"reddit" sites before i migrated to Y'Answers, then to reddit after that.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm wondering if any BBS posts I made way, way back when are on any drives anywhere. I'm sure it's possible. I'm pretty sure the USENET posts I made back in the day started to get archived by Google (at least) and I'm pretty they will be around for quite some time.

Proprietary things built and run by private tyrannies using no standard protocol (like NNTP or ActivityPub) I don't give much of a chance...

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I made BBS posts in the early-mid 90s. They don't exist anymore, because at that time the only BBSes I had any access to were local guys running one off a personal computer (and as such weren't even available 24/7). The DMs and chats that happened there? If those guys actually kept the logs and kept transferring them from HD to HD, then I'll be damned... but chances are likely they have disappeared into the ether.

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[–] TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago

Time to donate again :)

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 66 points 1 day ago (4 children)

$345,000?

That's like, 2 devs and an 8 CPU VM.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Holy shit, that's like not even a rounding error to the US Government. So obvious what he is doing.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

It's trully disgusting and inexcusable.

[–] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

That's 1/100th the price Trump paid to send innocent people to CECOT.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 122 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Extremists always destroy history so they can write their own.

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[–] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Honest question...Can we just pop all that on a server in Canada or something? Couldn't the devs make a deal with another country not bound by your IP law or "government" to save your history along with that of other countries as well?

I'm gonna ask my MP as well.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Canada is another country that claim to be cool but if there are image of burning kids from Gaza or reference to Israel genocide or war crimes they will delete the data themselves.

Best approach would be a decentralized archive.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The author of archive box makes a very strong case for the need for both decentralized and centralized archives like the internet archive: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-changelog-software-development-open-source/id341623264?i=1000678444105

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, until there is any actual examples of Canada banning images. Even in this case, it’s a loss of public funding rather than blocking. The internet archive is mostly privately funded.

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