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Narrator: It won't.

Eh, bread and circuses. People are still relatively comfortable and complacent.

It's not even close

Not very close, despite the online rhetoric. Life continues and our feudal lords play their games.

If things continue to get worse and another lunatic succeeds Trump, I think talk of secession will start to gain more traction in the West. But even then, it would take something really major (and not something the Lemmy politics crowd considers major, but something that actually snaps average liberals out of their comas) to garner enough support for it to actually occur.

Western secession would be an uphill battle; it's just as likely we'd lose an armed conflict with the rest of the country, and an all-out war would be absolutely terrifying.

Not anywhere close, in my opinion. People have these ideas that only right wingers have guns and red state vs. blue state but my conservative relatives who live in the country and hunt are afraid to go to cities. They ask me all the time if I’m nervous living in one and there’s a school bus stop by my house where kids get dropped off.

A related point is that in the last Civil War, there was a somewhat blurry but pretty clear regional divide. Now, it’s an urban vs. rural divide. I live in Orleans Parish (aka county) in Louisiana and we went 82% for Harris/Waltz, roughly the same as Manhattan. I’m pretty sure California had more Trump voters than Texas. If a gun brawl breaks out, it’s going be local and contained.

Also, what’s Meal Team Six gonna do in a real battle? Most Trump voters are like 60+ years old and watch Fox News all day. Nobody wants the smoke.

I think people are more pissed off and divided than they have been in a very long time. It's hard to say how close we are to a civil war, though. There's been a lot of propaganda for a long time saying "violence is not the answer" (even though sometimes it is), and "violence has no place in our system of government" (even though the government abuses its own monopoly on violence to imprison and kill innocent, peaceful people).

It feels like the media in the US is less reliable than it's ever been in my lifetime, and would probably suppress as much as possible any information that would support open rebellion.

I am very skeptical of the notion we are anywhere near an actual shooting war despite all the turmoil. Both sides would have waaaay too much to lose, especially red states, which derive huge amounts of funding from blue states (basically, blue states provide federal revenue while red states tend to use it up).

At the moment at least, people have too high a degree of comfort to actually get off their asses and start physically fighting. Things would probably have to get a lot worse before we really see that happen.

There likely won't be bloodshed until the president is assassinated.

There will be no war because there's no one to fight it. The organizations that an armed resistance might coalesce around simply don't exist, and Trump's camp is entrenched enough to easily strangle any nascent movement in the crib as soon as it begins to arm itself.

This is the mechanism and economic base structure of “democracy” in the west which prevents real progress and real change from happening to the structures and systems we have.

As a Dane I'm quite happy with the system and politicians we have here. What I see as the issue is when different untruthful and overly emotional media start getting a foothold, and the people don't punish politicians for lying. It is literally "Idiocracy" in the making.