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[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 36 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Just more scientifically unsound forensic "evidence" for prosecutors to bamboozle juries with.

This will definitely also be one of those "only works to convict" forms of evidence like fingerprints, where the presence of a non-match will be played off as inconclusive, but a "match" will be treated as 100% definitive.

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 9 points 2 days ago

A criminal could buy an Ender3 or other extremely ubiquitous, non-internet-connected printer. Maybe used, in cash, on various marketplaces.

Filament can be bought in cash as well from a bunch of retailers and the leftover stock (evidence) easily disposed by dumping or burning/melting after the "suspect objects" are created.

Furthermore, nozzles are like $1 apiece in some cases. Printbed replacements or sheets of glass (also often used as printbed surfaces) are like $20 and can be changed often and easily. Changing these two components completely invalidates the "match" of the toolmarks.

This type of forensics is only practical if the target suspect is dumb enough to use the same settings for everything, never change a nozzle or bed, keep all his empty filament spools and receipts, pay for everything with credit cards in his name, and have a bunch of cloud-saved bambu-sliced files called "super illegal weaponry.gcode" associated with his printer.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 16 points 3 days ago

I'll take "Sandpaper" for $200, Alex.

[–] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But..... you'd need to do several test prints with the suspects 3D printer to get a matching profile right? It doesn't seem practical but indeed every 3D printer has it's own fingerprint.

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

key excerpt:

Most 3D printers work by heating up a filament—often, but not always, plastic—and extruding it through a metal nozzle. The nozzle puts down hundreds, or even thousands, of layers of the heated plastic to form a solid object. Each individual level of the print is called the print line. “So on the firearm, I’m seeing from the trigger guard—maybe print line 200—and the top of the magazine well—print line 400—the marks are staying consistent,” Garrison said.

It was an exciting discovery but it also wouldn’t be admissible as evidence in a criminal trial. Despite the promise that we may one day be able to match a printer to the object that made it, Garrison stressed that the work was in its very early days and that it would take years, perhaps even a decade, of science to work out the truth of toolmarks and 3D printers.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

unless its unrelated to the nozzle it'll be easily circumvent by replacing said nozzles.

[–] Cyv_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yeah I can't fuckin print consistent prints on purpose, good fuckin luck doing some kind of forensic analysis about it.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, this is absurd. Also if someone makes a "ghost gun" they can easily destroy the printer before using that thing.

[–] moody@lemmings.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If someone makes a 3d-printed ghost gun, they can destroy the gun beyond any chance at recognition by tossing it into a fire.

[–] Sandbar_Trekker@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

Depends on whether their 3D printer could print out metal objects or not.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

yes and no. I think the idea here long term is similar to the printer dots on normal printers. where they track/record those from factory to the point of sale. if the nozzles leave identifying marks (something I'd totally believe) then even destroying said printer might not help you if you used a credit card to purchase it.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 8 points 3 days ago

Unless there is something inserted into the gcode, nozzles are a wear item. You would not be able to put a consistently identifiable mark on the nozzle

[–] SteevyT@beehaw.org 6 points 3 days ago

I can change what an individual print line looks like to the naked eye just by something as simple as tweaking temperature or print speed. Good luck getting anything remotely consistent intentionally by clever nozzle machining.

Also, nozzles are dead simple to make, it's literally just a large drill bit (1.75mm diameter or so) with a smaller (.05mm to 1mm) drill poking the last bit through. Tip is slightly flattened off and away it goes.

Also, as someone else said, nozzles are a wear item, it's like trying to track a car down by the brake pads, or a pencil down by the shape of the lead at the tip, using it changes the characteristics of it.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Each individual level of the print is called the print line

It's called a layer.

“So on the firearm, I’m seeing from the trigger guard—maybe print line 200—and the top of the magazine well—print line 400—the marks are staying consistent,” Garrison said.

...I don't even understand what that's supposed to mean? "The marks are staying consistent"? What marks? Consistent with what?

Even if they were able to match a print to a nozzle (which they won't be because it's a wear item that's constantly changing), nozzles are cheap and replaced often. You replace them in 2 minutes.

However, none of this will stop DAs from trying to use this shit as evidence, just like all the other junk science they pay people to lie about.

[–] nous@programming.dev 7 points 3 days ago

Also worth pointing out:

There are other issues too. All of Law and Blair’s tests were done with one kind of 3D printer—a Prusa MK4S. There’s hundreds of different devices on the market that all behave differently. Law also pointed out that brass nozzles warp over time themselves and may produce different results after hundreds of prints and that different nozzles made from different materials may work very differently. Law would also want an examiner rate study—a formal scientific inquiry into false positives and examiner bias.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 days ago

Is this how ghost gun printing is working? One person with a machine making and selling oodles?

If you've printed your own it seems like this would have limited applications, because you've either destroyed or lost it, or it's still in your possession.