How is this not an instant mistrial?
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Because they've never even tried to bother to pretend this is going to be a fair trial.
Which tells me that they have no evidence whatsoever and he is innocent.
He's actually innocent. But they need a scapegoat to make the rich class feel safe.
There is no reason to believe he's innocent. I hate rich people that kill people with their disgusting and shitty decisions too but I don't think he is literally innocent of putting holes in the CEO's body.
I feel like there is hokey in how they caught him. Its still odd that he was "reported by a mcdonalds worker" that doesn't seem to exist.
Where are you getting the idea that the person doesn't seem to exist?
I’m no lawyer. Here’s a question. Would the federal case a jury trial?
I’m trying to figure out if there’s an advantage to futzing the state case. Corporate America wants this man’s blood.
I am not United Statesian and it feels like they change the rules every time I blink, but I think a trial with a death sentence as a possible outcome does require a jury. And if I am wrong, some vulgar good samaritan of the Internet will swoop in to politely call me a pig fucker.
Am unitedstatesian (one word, uncapitalized), not legaeseian.
Constitution does state though, defendants have the right to a trial by a jury of their peers. Sixth Amendment
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/jury_of_one%27s_peers
Criminal trial for sure falls in this category. Regardless of if death penalty is on the table.
ABC is greatly, greatly softening the severity of what the Prosecution is alleged to have done.
It is much, much worse than just 'Prosecution accidentally violated his HIPAA rights'.
“The district attorney falsely made up a court date — May 23, 2025 — and drafted a fraudulent subpoena that if Aetna did not provide documents on that date, it would be in contempt of court,” Mangione claims in a New York Supreme document, filed Thursday.
(In legalese, 'Mangione claims' means that his lawyers claim this in an exhaustive report/complaint to the judge of this case.)
The Prosecution appears to have served Aetna with a literally fake, fradulent subpoena.
That subpoena included a court date which was never actually scheduled in the court system.
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You cannot do this.
Any request for a subpoena like this has to go through and be approved by the judge.
Circumventing the judge and essentially falsely acting on a fraudulent representation of their authority is actually potentially a crime, bare minimum, something a lawyer can be disbarred for.
And this is the District Attorney of New York leading the legal team against Mangione, whom Mangione's Defense Counsel has now formally accused of doing this.
Mangione's counsel has requested to the Judge that, bare minimum, whoever on the Prosecution team is actually responsible for this be removed from the rest of the proceedings, ideally, have the entire trial be dismissed as a mistrial.
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Here is the entire complaint to the Judge from Mangione's Defense Counsel:
https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/mangione-hippa-defense-filing.pdf
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This could actually blow up at least this New York State level case against Mangione.
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There are currently two simultaneous cases going on, one at the New York State level, one at the Federal level, all of this is irt the NY case.
Place your bets about how AI was involved now!
Are they trying to get a mistrial in order to avoid the fallout of a potential "not guilty" verdict as well as the potential fallout of a "guilty" verdict?
They who
They are really putting their best effort for minimizing this whole ordeal so tbh I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case.
I mean, I guess that isn't impossible, but I really have no idea.
My guess would be that they are just assuming they can get away with whatever bullshit they do, because fuck Luigi, hail corporate?
I do not know.
Holy shit, this should be huge news being seen everywhere! Instead, the bought media will distract us with more circus sideshows.
The news will literally never talk about any of this. We don’t have freedom of the press in glorious republik of amerika
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Holy fuck. That's insane if true.
I don't work as an attorney or anything, but I have some exposure to the inner workings at times. Screw ups are absurdly common. In this case, after the prosecution deleted the documents, the defense sent them a copy from thier side. Just absurd levels of incompetence all the time. So don't rule that out.
Next... in general, for some absolutely absurd reason, it usually isn't illegal for the government to lie. Like on the subpoena. The police are allowed to lie to you during interrogation. ICE has routinely (and not just recently) signed thier own subpoenas and presented them as legal, even though without a judge's signature they aren't legally binding. Odds are that what they did is standard practice, no matter how vile it is. And the signer probably wasn't even a lawyer, just some legal aid.
What's different in this case, is they have a witness saying the prosecution verbally said that what they were doing was wrong, and did it anyway. Not sure if that will matter if it turns out to be standard practice.
In short, the legal system is a farce. TV would have you believe technicalities matter. But they only matter if they support what the judge wants to do anyway.
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Mangione's lawyers are going to grind the DA office into burger at trial. Fucking morons.
In that case all we have to hope for is a fair trial.
And that the judge isn't compromised at some point, either by ideology, financial obligation or fear.
Let's not forget that Mangione looks nothing like the guy in the original mugshot.
However, prosecutors said they requested limited information from Aetna and Aetna sent them additional materials in error. Prosecutors said they deleted the materials as soon as they became aware of them and brought it to the attention of both the defense and the court.
The error was compounded by defense counsel resending to prosecutors the very same items prosecutors had already deleted, a source familiar with the subpoena said.
When prosecutors can't take any responsibility for their own stupidity, implicating others is always their go-to.
This is where i see additional problems. Govt or no, Aetna should have been way more diligent in addressing any requests for info, and in providing more than what was explicitly requested they are also committing a HIPAA violation. Any counsel for Aetna should have been well aware of the risk of sending health records out and been very, very specific on what was to be sent and not to avoid a compliance issue.
If i was on Mangione's legal team I'd be preparing a civil case and HIPAA violation claim against Aetna in addition to seeking removal of the prosecutors involved. (I'm not a lawyer but worked in health insurance for several years managing patient data.)
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...34 count felon awaiting sentencing is president, alleged shooter in jail...justice?....
There's many parts of the dictionary that could be replaced with a pic of him. But I think the US justice system is ironically solidfying "martyr" as the top pick.
At this rate, they're striving for Joan of Arc levels of history.
I hope he knows everyone is truly grateful of the impact he has made and is continuing to make.
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