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If only there were a device to keep you in your seat when something like this happens
this post was submitted on 26 Jul 2025
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We almost got rid of Jimmy dore
stuff like this is why i'm lowkey terrified of flying also this isn't a shitpost
So you'd rather stick to the ground, where you can't dive to avoid an oncoming vehicle?
Yeah, shitpost needs some better moderation. Shitpost has literally just become post whatever you want. And if that's what it is, I guess that's what it is, but the term "shitpost" to me had always been someone coming and derailing serious threads with nonsense opinions, unrelated pics, etc. So silly trolling.
This post is a picture of a tweet about a near mid-air collision. Unless the second plane was just fucking around, shitflying as they say, I don't know that it qualifies for the low, low bar that is shitposting.
I can assure you some pants were shit on that flight
Shitpantsing then
Put your fking seatbelts on. All the time.
how that a shitpost tho
Without pilot intervention, the closest they would have come would have been 4.85 nautical miles laterally, and at the same altitude.
With the pilot intervention, the closest they came was 4.85 nautical miles laterally, and 500 feet vertically.
Because everybody on the plane shit themselves.
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Remind us who cut funding to FAA?
This is Joe Biden s fault. I don't mean he cut funding or anything like that, I mean he was literally flying the other plane. It was full of woke trans immigrants headed to Texas so Democrats can get more votes while simultaneously rigging the election.
Obama was copilot? Smoking crack in the back in his tan suit? With Dijon mustard?
Your response here is an excellent example of shitposting. You are the new moderator. Keep up the shitty work.
it was the one armed man! you gotta believe me!
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This ain't no shitpost.
You have to admit it'd be pretty shitty to run into another airplane in the sky though?
You're right, but I don't think The Internet cares.
Is gutting the federal government working yet? Is the swamp drained? Is the winning complete? Are my bigoted piece of shit nazi flag flying neighbors satisfied yet?
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This is very dangerous. Time to remove regulations for collision warning systems on airplanes, so dangerous maneuvers like this don’t happen in the future
Tap for spoiler
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Finally, the freedom to have sick plane crashes thanks to deregulation 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅💥💥💥
Just to put this into perspective, here's a visualization of the flight data. The two aircraft were never on a collision course. They slightly violated a 5-mile separation requirement: their closest point of approach was 4.85 miles. The pilot did need to respond to the TCAS alert, but that alert was very conservative.
These conservative warnings exist for a reason, though. That being hundreds of lives at stake. What I think would be more interesting is to hear how often these types of events occurred before and after the layoffs at the FAA
Agreed. The point of a conservative warning is to give plenty of time and opportunity to react without bouncing your passengers off the ceiling.
Fault for the loss of separation seems to be on the controllers. Not all separation incidents are the same, though. This one seems to be rather minor. By my estimation, the encroachment was a maximum of 264 yards, and the duration of that encroachment (without pilot or controller intervention) would have been less than 10 seconds. Too tight, yes. It needs addressed so it doesn't become a habitual violation that could lead to more severe encroachment by these controllers. But there was no real danger of bodily harm from this encroachment.
Fault for an overly aggressive maneuver is on the pilot. There was a risk of injury from that overly aggressive response. The pilot's actions elevated a minor, no-risk event to one that risked serious injury to the passengers and crew. But, he was following instructions from a device designed to improve aviation safety, and the nature of the warnings from that device, an over-response is much safer than an under-response. He has to trust his instruments, and his instruments (erroneously) told him to push the nose down, quickly, lest he hit another plane.
TCAS is designed and intended to reduce risk and prevent harm. In this specific incident, though, it seems like the TCAS-RA actually increased the risk of harm, by calling for an immediate action that wasn't actually necessary to prevent harm. Is there a way to improve TCAS?
I, too, would like to know how often TCAS incidents were recorded before and after the layoffs. Those layoffs definitely harmed aviation safety. But if someone were injured in this incident, I don't think I could point the finger at the controllers or lack thereof. This particular incident seems to suggest a shortcoming in the TCAS system.
Very thoughtful and informed reply. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
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TCAS is working overtime to make up for the years of neglecting the FAA.
Don't planes have seatbelts? How did so many people manage to fly out of their seats?
Also friendly reminder to everybody that planes are still the safest mode of transportation by a significant margin
Planes are the safest form of transportation if you look at safety per km travelled. If you look at other metrics, like safety per trip or per travel time then they are less safe than busses or trains.
Planes have nonetheless huge advantages over the others, like if you have to travel hundreds of km, or across the ocean. Cruising through the Atlantic in a Greyhound would be wild, though.
Last time I posted something about this, it was downvoted to oblivion. Glad to see that didn’t happen here. There are some statistical quirks that make this obvious once you think about it though.
Planes tend to make long trips, so anything measured on a per-km basis is going to be wildly diluted. Nobody is taking a plane to travel a few blocks. Something like a car will tend to make much shorter (but more frequent) trips, so the per-km stat won’t be diluted. But inversely, the per-trip stat will be diluted with cars, purely because they’re used much more often.
As with all statistics, you can make the numbers say what we you want. Planes can carry 500+ people, so an incident risks all 500 of those passengers; similar for rail, but not so much for the bus. And I think about bus and there's two different kinds of buses, IMO, the inner city bus that's on the road for hours, but doing few miles while making frequent stops. Not sure what a journey is then, whether it's stop by stop or from start to finish. And there's
So yeah, I dunno. If it's your time it's your time. I don't think any of these means of travel are "unsafe," whatever that means. But I'll still have a couple of beers before I get on the plane, because I'm not afraid of flying, but having a couple beers beforehand makes it better.
I’ll still have a couple of beers before I get on the plane, because I’m not afraid of flying..
Have to admit this is kind of funny.
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Fuck Jimmy Dore, he turned against the queers. Last I saw a video of him interviewing with some bad-faith transmedicalist harassing people at pride acting all innocent like "I'm just asking questions" - his loud mouth was good as 2016 was going down but of course loudmouths don't always know when to shut it.
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...should we hire more tower administators, and look into the epstein files?....
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And this is why I don't fly anymore. It was never an enjoyable experience (except takeoff. Wee!!) and now it's even less worth it.
Now I find myself having a depressed opinion on the lack of train options.
Sitting in an airport right now. Great.
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