Casemiro going from being over-priced questionable signing to essential part of the team to washed dead money back up has happened at a remarkable pace.
It’s happens sometimes when you spend big on older players. People like to think that top players all stay at peak level deep into their 30s but many do tail off fast.
No it doesn't
It happens with young players too
Rashfor goes from shit to world class regularly, AWB went from shit to essential to shit
Many other United players and other team players as well, why? Because fans have the memory of a gold fish and when team does bad they do this
Everytime you mention someone over 30 might decline suddenly you are bombarded with people claiming that there’s “no way a professional like him” could decline and that sports science has gotten so advanced that it essentially trumps biology meaning there’s no reason players would decline one bit before they’re 36 at the earliest.
Casemiro was never overpriced or questionable. He was valued exactly what he was worth and definitely one of the least questionable signings Manchester United has made.
Of course this was at the time of his signing.
29 year old DM on mega wages from Madrid is definitely questionable. I can’t ever recall a time where Madrid have gotten the short end of the stick when getting rid of one of their big stars, that alone should’ve raised question marks. Madrid are very good at assessing the level of their players
Id say odegaard but that is with hindsight. He couldnt break into the first 11 at the time
definitely one of the least questionable signings Manchester United has made.
It’s less than 18 months since they signed him for £60m and now he’s getting binned off and yet he’s not a questionable signing? Sure thing mate.
He was arguably our most important player last season.
Don't think we'd have got top 4 without him. I'd imagine Champions League football is worth about that, even if we've crashed and burned in it.
A lot of the financial boost to getting CL football gets burned on player bonuses though
You’re speaking in retrospect while completely ignoring the fact that the dude just tried to clarify that he meant without retrospective knowledge.
He was one of our most important players, he was brilliant for all of last season.
I don't know what happened this season.
Lots of minutes with little to no rest due to no replacement and the team are pressing higher mean he is asked to press more intense than before. All combined to him rarely being fit for all 90 mins and wouldn't be in the position to defend counter as he and Ten Hag want
Ten Hag switched to an insane high press two-10s system leaving midfield even more exposed than before, leaving Case completely exposed having to do the work of two men. Then after Case misplaced one pass and we conceded he gets blamed for being shit when in reality it was the change to an unworkable system that practically doomed our early season results.
Is he being binned off? Why are you so certain about trusting the Daily Mail?
You’re acting like the transfer is actually happening right now, not like you’ve read a story in a paper which routinely makes things up.
Casemiro signing was always questionable. Letting along the obscene amount of money on a 30 y/o, the guy is pretty much the opposite of every Ten Haag football idea: a slow midfield destroyer pretty poor with his feet for a manager who strives for possession and high pressing never made sense. They basically obliged him to switch to a transitional team
There 100% was questions whether £60 mil price tag and 4 year contract for a 30 year old DM on 350k a week was overpriced. A bit revisionist to pretend there weren’t question marks at the time
I can't really believe it's happened. I was lucky enough to be invited to see the Carabao Cup final last season, which Man United won, and Casemiro was brilliant. You could tell his big-game experience shone through and he was cool, calm and composed throughout, the definite MOTM. How he's gone from that to not getting on the team sheet so quickly I don't quite get. I guess it's because they are trying to play a much more energy intensive style, and his game just doesn't suit it.
It is just bewildering to me how Man United continuously sign the same flavor of player over and over again, the experienced player who’s “good enough to hold up the Man United name”, they produce 1-2 seasons of good performances and then something happens and they’re out. Happens over and over again - here with Varane and Casemiro, then there’s Eriksen, Ronaldo, Cavani, Lukaku, Matic, Mkhitaryan, Ibra, Sanchez, Di Maria, Schweinsteiger.
Note, this isn’t a list of United transfer flops, of which there are a whole lot more, but a list of the same archetype not working over and over again. You could argue that some on these list recouped some money, or that they brought value for a couple of seasons in a certain way, but that’s not the point - for a team to rise back to the top, you need a concrete plan, and repeatedly signing players without the means to succeed long-term is the opposite of the stability that’s needed for a project. You can’t build a team up if your marquee signings all get crocked/fall out/become surplus/want to leave after 1-2 seasons - there’s just no project then, no concrete plan to get back to the top, and it’s back to square one with next manager.
Wow MUFC got a huge life line
However they missed out Kim and Rice
What’s the plan now ?
Suggest something.
I dunno if this makes me (and any other Utd fans) feel any better, but we were never getting either of those two. Rice was a pretty long shot all things considered, and Kim would never have chosen us over first team football at BuLi champs Bayern.
It's a sad state of things, but United have not been serious contenders for ages now. We shouldn't be trying to lure in big names with even bigger wages. Our wage structure is already fucked up beyond repair, and we only seem to be making it worse.
I think if Qatar or sir Jim happened then maybe
Kane waited for MUFC too
Kane would've only gone to people not in direct competition with Spurs i.e City. Levy wouldn't have ever sold Kane to a PL rival. It was more wishful thinking on our end. And looking at how shambolic our team currently is, in retrospect it was a great decision by Kane not to come to OT.
The problem wasn’t money 100-150m
But people questioned his age 29, this a guy who is never injury and doesn’t relay on athleticism
Could play till 38-40
The problem was that United wouldn't get him if Levy could decide it (so this summer) and then they would still've been in a hard competition with Real, Bayern and other clubs (if he would've gone on a free).
Has Case declined that much? Many teams are looking for a 6
It’s only Bayern or Barca
I don’t think he declined but hit form later during the season (Feb - May)
And Liverpool.
I would love to see him succeed again, hopefully he recovers form and moves to Bayern.
Casemiro goes to Saudi I think and Varane is genuinely good enough for any other team in Europe.
So unbelievably injury prone though. I don’t think he’s got more than 30 games in a season in him anymore.
Can someone inform me why Varane is leaving?
Fell out hard with Ten Hag apparently.
Because he doesn’t know how to man manage at a level beyond the school playground. Management is all about push and pull but he seems to have an approach where he wants everyone to be a little boy. Compare how he manages to how Ancelotti gets the best out of his players. Pep and Klopp are both annoying demanding fuckers but seem to avoid falling out with their best players
Not a single good source has said anything about then falling out btw. People on here just like to talk out of their asses, just like you
Ten Hag doesn't want to play him or Maguire on the left side. Maguire's been in reasonable form so he's benched Varane. Getting dropped in big games for Evans prob hurts Varane.
But all that being said it's just speculation, not long ago we heard reliable stories saying Varane accepted Ten Hag's decisions to not play him, now the gutter stories saying he was fuming with it.
Because he clearly took the job after being told to clear out the high earners in the squad. It’s not a coincidence that the 5 top earners when he joined (Ronaldo, DDG, Sancho, Casemiro, Varane) are all either being sold, exiled or terminated
Casemiro and Varane to reunite with Ronaldo at Nassr?
The unreliable whispers are saying Case to Al Nassr yeah
Thank you for your services and the transfer money, Legends. Madridistas will never forget you.
the never ending United merry go round, like Chelsea they'll eventually rearrange into a winning combination at some point because it happens so often. until that depressing moment, happy friday to everyone on this blessed day.
Maguire outlasting Varane would not have been on anyones bingo card even 6 months ago. Fair play to him for turning it around.
United still have a serious problem in that every team and agent knows to put their prices up when they come knocking. Even bigger is that they've handled Sancho so badly that young players may think twice before moving there.
K bye