Seems like pop bet on chet to win roty
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All the more reason to put Wembanyama in other positions/roles. For rookies, it's usually not their best skills that limit them, it is their worse skills that need development. It's not like we are putting Wemby at somewhere he'll never play (PG?), he is just playing PF role. They know he can dominate as C, they don't need proof, Spurs aren't winning this year anyway, some extra W isn't going to help Spurs. Fixing Wemby's flaws so that he can have a complete game will only accelerate the whole winning process, it's more like a luxury.
This is also why so many rookies in good teams are more prone to be "bust". They don't have the luxury to fix their flaws, their teams only put the rookies at their best roles to keep the team winning chances.
Thank you lol. I can't believe people get on here and go "huh, I wonder if Gregg Popovich hasn't noticed this super obvious difference in how the Spurs play basketball. Maybe someone should point out to him that they need a better PG or that he shouldn't let Wemby shoot so many jump shots, surely he hasn't thought of that."
I remain unconvinced that the best method to develop players is to simply place them in circumstances that are detrimental to their performance and keep losing.
Circumstances detrimental to their performance may be advantageous to their development as a whole. They’re not trying to make him better at what he’s good at, they want him better at what he’s the worst at. As far as winning goes, the whole FO is thinking much further ahead than this season when it comes to Wemby. He’s an investment that will pay off in time, it doesn’t need to right this minute.
I respect your opinion and think you have a completely fair and valid perspective.
But I'm gonna go ahead and continue to believe that Gregg Popovich knows more than you, me, OP, or anyone else on twitter and reddit about how to develop NBA talent.
You cant rule out a possibilty that Pop might be washed. The man is 74 for god sake, there has to be a time when you start losing it.
But I'm gonna go ahead and continue to believe that Gregg Popovich knows more than you, me, OP, or anyone else on twitter and reddit about how to develop NBA talent.
I can not believe Gregg Popovich has ruined this young talented mans career. He had serious generational talent potential but alas after 16 games it is clear, he is no better than Anthony Bennett.
This is just life and the professional workforce management. For example, When I'm working with a junior, I have 2 choices to make. Do I want this to be done good and fast and do the majority of it myself, or do I want this to be a learning lesson. Product won't have the same "shine", but long term the team gets a bit stronger because the junior is a bit better.
Same concept. You put Wemby in the PF role to develop his PF intuition and skillset. When he eventually goes back to C, he will have a better feel on what the opposing PF role want to do, and how to defend them because he himself was in that role.
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This is also why it's useful to put Sochan at PG. He won't be the primary ball handler when Wemby is further along, but the Spurs want Sochan to develop a Draymond-like skillset. Draymond handled the ball a ton in his 3 years in college, and he didn't become an All-Star & All-Defensive until he was 25. Sochan is 20. Giving him reps now will pay off.
Spurs are running multiple development projects at the same time. With Vassell and Johnson only being 23 and 24 years old, there are a couple of years to let these guys refine their games. The fact of the matter is that the point guard they need isn't on this roster yet.
Yeah we basically need Vassell and Johnson to be healthy for the offense to run through Wemby. Vassell for his shooting and Johnson for his ability to find Wemby. Those two being injured started off this whole losing streak... Combined with some tanking, of course.
I'm pretty sure you're talking about Tre Jones and he was talking about Keldon Johnson since Keldon and Dev seem to have the the highest ceiling of anyone on the team before last year
Yes, you're right. I read the post wrong and was thinking Tre Jones.
See James weisman
I told this before, this year isn’t about winning but about understanding what Wemby can and cannot do.
It’s true that he’d absolutely benefit from better cast, but I shake my head when someone tells that he’s taking too many 3 point shots or does a fadeaway.
well as we all know it's almost impossible to succeed in the future without winning ROTY.
Looking forward to Michael Carter William's 10th all star appearance this year!
I think it's great that the Spurs are taking this year to experiment. They own their pick (unlike the Mavs in Luka's rookie year) and can be trusted to not draft a bust (unlike Lebron's Cavs in 04). A golden opportunity to find their Westbrook/Harden.
But I also think they should start trying harder to win games next season. It's very important to not let a losing culture take hold and stunt player development i.e. Detroit, Houston before this season.
But I also think they should start trying harder to win games next season. It's very important to not let a losing culture take hold and stunt player development
I think even in this regard Wemby is a special case.
His competitive priority this season is presumably the home Olympics, it's a much bigger deal than trying to chase a play-in place with this team. And given the season Rudy is having playing PF is incredibly useful for that.
Keeping him happy, keeping him fit and getting a good draft pick is so much more important that sweating for the play in.
I’m really surprised the Spurs haven’t traded for Fournier or Hayes (or even Batum), guys who’s stock is low or are at the end of their careers but will likely be on the French Olympics for Paris 2024
Cheap for Spurs + Build chemistry and in game reps with Wemby to keep him happy and comfortable
I have no issue with this take to be clear. I think that’s valid, and I support the Point Sochan experiment.
My point is more to dispel the anti-Wemby concerns that seem to just be uninformed. People parading around saying he’s not a good scorer, highly inefficient, not living up to hype etc. when it’s just not really true. In reality, when put in reasonable positions to succeed he’s been better than expected which is pretty insane to say.
That being said, I do think there’s room for increased optimization from the Spurs. Wemby averages just 7mpg at Center - I’d move more towards a 50/50 split. We shouldn’t assume he already knows the ins and outs of playing Center in the NBA either. There’s room to grow there too. I’d also increase his portion of minutes with Tre, which can be achieved while maintaining the Point Sochan experiment pretty identically to how it’s been running
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Yup, the ROTY conversation has fried people's minds. The amount of people complaining that Wemby didn't play at the end of a blowout to pad his stats because Chet had a great game the other day. Would be cool if Wemby won ROTY but if Chet had a better season it's not a big deal, the point is to build a team that is competitive in a few years.
Rookie KD anyone? They had him playing SG lol.
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Damn, imagine if he had an real elite PG next to him?
If playing with Tre Jones (with all due respect) hes averaging efficient 26pgg.
Playing with someone like Hali or Trea it would be easy 35+ppg.
Hali and Wemby would be insanity
I sometimes like to imagine what could have happened if the Kings had kept Hali, traded Fox, and tried to tank a year.
I wanted the Pacers to win the lottery so bad, Spurs really need to find their PG next summer
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Obvious tanking by the spurs, setting wemby up for failure under the guise of “developing sochan”, as if he’s going to their starting point guard the next 12 years. It seems clear to me they don’t want to unleash wemby partially to protect him from injuries (explains his lack of center minutes) however there’s no explanation for not giving him a point guard to play with.. it honestly feels like they want to purposefully lower his value as a way to control him financially.
You understand you can develop more than one player at a time right?
Seeing what Sochan can do and develop into should obviously be done. Why wouldn’t they?
Pop is washed and should have retired after the bubble
Last night was a good example of this. Wemby played more 5 and there was a lot more pnr action for him. He doesn’t roll often, but with real spacing he does a little bit more and the last few games he’s gotten some easy looks off it. He also doesn’t chuck as many 3’s in these lineups. He’ll do pick n pop and get set up, and his jumper looks pretty regular when he’s set up like this.
The Spurs really need to just play Wemby with decent ball handling and respectable shooting and then all of a sudden he looks like that guy we’re expecting. There are certain lineups, especially with Devin and Tre, that really unlock this. Unfortunately, Pop doesn’t seem to want to play these lineups to much, plus injuries have kept them off the floor. But, as you point out, there is definitely some lineups that Wemby does much better in.
I suppose this year is about working all that stuff out though. Better to know his strengths/weaknesses and start working on his deficiencies.
You guys aren’t trying to win.
Right, people literally just want Wemby to win the Chet comparison and are more worried about his stats than actual development
I’ll trust the greatest coach of all time that he knows what he’s doing lol
Yup, the ROTY conversation has fried people's minds. The amount of people complaining that Wemby didn't play at the end of a blowout to pad his stats because Chet had a great game the other day.
Yeah i think people would see it as disappointing for wemby, but Chet has also had a year of acclimatising, is playing on a team trying to win with better players and has looked great it shouldn’t be that surprising if he does end up winning ROTY.
It’s more a sign of how good chet has been and doesn’t really say much a out wemby.
I think it's a good idea to have him do things he's not great at this year, it could pay off in the future. He should continue to improve his dribbling and shooting.
Long-term, he might be a bit like Duncan (or AD in his championship year): Starting at PF and playing a lot of his minutes there to preserve his body, but switching to center when it's winning time.
Spurs fans tell me him playing without a PG or a functioning offense is furthering his development though
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I can't see why you cannot give them time...none expects them anything ..let them suck ,try different things and after all this give or take 3 to 4 years you might be the next thunder, magic or wolves
Pop has to be tanking. No way you have an actual PG on the bench and decide to fuck up Wemby's development unless you tanking.
They need to teach him how to be a point center like Jokic.
playing wemby out of position to 'experiment' is actually a pretty smart way to hide the full power tanking to another top5 pick the spurs are doing this season
Ben Simmons fan praying he had gotten this type of development.
I'm not at all implying Wemby is not talented, but if this not the best example of "good stats,bad team", I don't know what is. Obviously given that he's a rookie and is only going to get so much better, these numbers might hold up for real. But at this moment, it's quite understandable for a talented player like him to put up these numbers on such a dogshit roster
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He's playing PF next to Cs clogging the paint and taking away some mismatch opportunities.
What mismatches do you think he's exploiting here? Slower centers? Or are you saying the paint being clogged means he can't take advantage of mismatches when he's playing forward against much smaller 4s and 3s?
Wemby is shooting 40% on open shots
33% on open shots greater than 10 feet
I’m sure tre Jones may help, but the key to him increasing his efficiency is just making open shots
He’s 19, that’ll come
Point Sochan is awful to watch. He's not a primary ballhandler
His stats remind me of KD’s first month in Seattle
Spurs are doing the right thing. The tank could bring them the top guard in the draft (I guess Collier?) or they can even look for a trade (if there's a young PG locked up on a long deal, but seems unlikely) or they have the cap space to sign the other Jones brother, draft another wing or big if that's the BPA, and they can always look for a trade down the line.
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