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Whether a team is under or over performing, who's gonna be a complete opposite by the end of the season compared to now?

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[–] wjbc@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Basketball Reference has a Simple Rating System based on point differential and strength of schedule, not wins and losses. In the East, the biggest discrepancies are the Atlanta Hawks (ranked 9th according to wins and losses but 5th according to SRS), and the Miami Heat (ranked 5th according to wins and losses but 9th according to SRS).

In the West, the biggest discrepancies are the Golden State Warriors (ranked 10th according to wins and losses but 5th according to SRS) and the Dallas Mavericks (ranked 5th according to wins and losses but 10th according to SRS). SRS is usually considered more accurate by bettors, so perhaps the Hawks and Warriors are better than they appear and the Heat and Mavs are worse than they appear.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024.html

[–] JAJAJAGuy@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The problem with the Hawks is Jalen Johnson just got injured and will be out for some time.

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[–] Flareon7@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Heat outperforming their net rating is definitely a trend, and I wouldn’t bet on it stopping. They tend to win most of their close games.

Last year’s Heat were bottom 10 in net rating and they made it to the finals.

Mavs however, wouldn’t surprise me if they dipped a bit.

[–] Somberoking@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

This year has seemed to be a little different for the heat, they have blow multiple 20 points leads and struggled when close (e.g. vs knicks and bulls most recently)

Hopefully when Tyler is healthy that will change

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[–] WembyandTheWolves@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Wow, the Celtics and 76ers have a huge lead over everyone else.

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[–] dbgager@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Nuggets are without there 3 best players and where first in the Western Conference till MUrray was hurt.Luckily he will be back next game or the one after that. STill there 12-6 and only about 1 game behind. JOkics injury is more rest than sever and Ag should be back shortly.He was listed questionable.

[–] rdav11@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Cavs are underperforming.

Mitchell, Garland, Allen, and Levert have all missed time sporadically. We should end up top 4/5 in the East.

[–] JacksMedulaOblongota@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see us duking it out with you guys and Indy for seeding.

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[–] BritzlBen@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cavs are undefeated against below .500 teams and have faced 11 teams above .500. They're a good team with a tough schedule.

Everything you just said will still be true after they play the midlanta, 8-8, Hawks tonight

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[–] DrBigChicken@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Wizards are actually the best team

[–] The1Drumheller@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

OKC's record is artificially inflated by playing the Spurs, Bulls, Warriors twice without Draymond, Beal and Bookerless Suns, and Blazers. Check out our schedule for the next 6 games and it'll be great if we can go 3-3 during them.

[–] LimitlessTheTVShow@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know if I'd say "artificially inflated"; other teams get to play bad teams all the time. The East gets to play both the Wizards and Pistons multiple times. Our net rating and point differential still has us as one of the best teams in the league.

I do agree that I don't think we'll stay the second seed, though. Our lack of rebounding hurts a lot, and we've started the season very hot from three. I think we'll probably settle around the 4-6 seed

[–] Zigxy@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’d definitely say “artificially inflated”

Because the record is higher (inflated) thanks to having weaker opponents so far

Not a big deal

[–] LimitlessTheTVShow@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess, I just think of artificial inflation as making a bad team look good. I still think the Thunder are a good team, even though our record might be better than it should be

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[–] CLGplz@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Grizzlies are a weird situation. I do think this team will be significantly better when Ja comes back, but ultimately we’re still down our top 2 centers and I’m really worried that the team vibes are gonna be completely tanked. There’s definitely a world where they’re still complete shit until next season.

At least we got our top 3 signed for a few years and they’re all hitting their primes.

[–] GenevaPedestrian@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think the word you're looking for is "misleading", not "inaccurate".

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[–] SoKrat3s@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The Eagles. They are a great team, but have not played up to 10-1. Oh, you meant...

[–] OhiOstas@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I know it might sound crazy, but Bulls are truly worse than their record shows (5-13).

The Raptors win came off of getting blessed with so many FTs (to send into OT), and even then barely squeaked away with the GW Caruso 3. The Pacers win was simply due to them bricking a lot of shots… they had so many good looks, but just failed to capitalize on most of them (still only won by 7, in a close game). The Heat win is more of a Heat loss, than a Bulls win, with them choking that 20pt lead

Our only 2 solid wins are against the Jazz and Pistons. However bad you think the Bulls are, they are worse than that

[–] Look_Behind_You__@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I can’t believe y’all haven’t blown it up yet.

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[–] CarBallAlex@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Suns feel like they’re a bit under the radar. They’re 11-6, inexplicably lost to the Spurs twice to give them 2 of their only 3 wins, have missed Booker for 8 games and Beal for 14.

Their 3 stars haven’t played a single game together and they’re 11-6 and 4th in the West. 1.5 games out of 1st.

Maybe injuries plague them but they’ll be a problem if they’re healthy and build chemistry. A healthy Suns team is easily pushing 55-60 wins and the 1 seed. They’re the new 2021 Nets where only injuries can stop them from dominating the West

[–] BrandinPodziemski@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Thinly veiled magic hate thread

[–] thelastestgunslinger@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I can't tell if the Warriors are going to be bad this year, or if it's settling pains and bad luck. But they suck far more than I expected, at the moment.

[–] Klunko52@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There’s a lot of potential, but there also was last year and that didn’t turn out well

[–] YoungClint_TrapLord@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Last year the issue was road games tho. It’s just weird how bad they are at home this year. No way they stay this bad at home all season.

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[–] 512fm@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Pistons, it probably should be 0-17

[–] Actually-Yo-Momma@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Add the blazers too. They look just stupendously bad and I’m a blazer homer lol

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[–] Siakim43@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Being the pessimistic Philly fan that I am, I get the feeling that the Sixers are over-performing. I definitely didn't expect them to be this good. That or my tin-foil-hat conspiracy of Adam Silver sending the whistles at us come playoff time will prove me right.

[–] Brokromah@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

You have PTSD. The offense's motion is night and day and Maxey is the truth. He's improved on literally all of his weaknesses. The only question will be do we have to always run him 40 minutes a game.

[–] EnoughLawfulness3163@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Suns should be undefeated. Prove me wrong. /s

[–] guillaume_rx@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Victor Wembanyama shouldn't be able to do what he does, I agree.

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[–] Confident_Pear_8303@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No doubt Magic are much improved...but I just cant see them finishing much better than .500.

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[–] DoncicismyGOAT@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As much as people don't liked them, the Clips are underperforming.

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Pelicans, should be higher

[–] HotspurJr@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't be surprised if the Warriors are a play-in team, and I wouldn't be surprised if they end up in a tough WCF series.

Their starting five is, I believe, negative on the year - but was the best unit in the league last year. So clearly if they get it together, the team could be really, really good, and much better than they've been so far.

But I also wouldn't be surprised if Klay struggled to get over the mental hump of not being the same dude he was five years ago, and the last thing I want to do is bet on Wiggins being consistent. Meanwhile, while Kerr's faith in his players is a strength, I wonder if he has a blind spot towards his guys' struggles and is going to give them too much rope.

Pistons can't believe they have wins

[–] New_Essay_4869@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Indiana is much better than their record shows

[–] mercfan3@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Golden State, Phoenix, Denver have a worse record than what they really are - mostly because players have been out.

OKC, Orlando, and Dallas have a better record than what they’ll end up.

Memphis is obviously a question mark, and though Ja helps talent, I don’t know what he’ll do for chemistry - or if he’ll be a problem again. (Like really; what are the odds he’ll get it this time..)

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[–] cachris3@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Nuggets would be the 1 seed in the west if it wasn’t for Jamal Murray’s injury. He’ll be back, and upwards they will go

[–] SandyMandy17@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Idk but i do know the 76ers are elite and maxey is better than embitch

[–] PooperJackson@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I feel like the most obvious answer is the grizzlies.

[–] Rogular@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Lakers. They’ve played a mostly soft schedule and have been propped up by historical free throw numbers by the refs in all but two of their games… and they lost both games where they didn’t get ridiculously blatant ref help (including the 44 point blowout).

Either the refs will continue to rig it for them all season, or they’ll be lucky to make the play-in.

[–] paraMAYBE_DO_LESS@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is such a tired take. Lakers are 3rd in dunks, 5th in lay ups and almost dead last in shooting 3s.

Lakers are 6th in free throw rate.

Literally lakers type of system matches the rest of the leagues system.

There’s almost no favorability it’s all style of play.

To top it off you bring up lakers not getting favorable calls against the Sixers? You do know Embiid gets the whistle more favorable than any laker player right?

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[–] Zeeron1@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I would bet the house on the Rockets still ending up as a lottery team

[–] Signal_Ad_3969@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Warriors will finish below 500

[–] meatballman1218@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The pels being a .500 basketball team really surprises me

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[–] dochim@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

You are what your record says you are not what people THOUGHT your record was SUPPOSED to be.

We're almost 20 games in now. It's time to believe in (the) Magic and the T-Pups. The Thunder and the Pacers too.

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