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cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/45730883

With more than 80,000 AI-powered cameras across the U.S., Flock Safety has become one of cops’ go-to surveillance tools and a $7.5 billion business. Now CEO Garrett Langley has both police tech giant Axon and Chinese drone maker DJI in his sights on the way to his noble (if Sisyphean) goal: Preventing all crime in the U.S.

In a windowless room inside Atlanta’s Dunwoody police department, Lieutenant Tim Fecht hits a button and an insectile DJI drone rises silently from the station rooftop. It already has its coordinates: a local mall where a 911 call has alerted the cops to a male shoplifter. From high above the complex, Fecht zooms in on a man checking his phone, then examines a group of people waiting for a train. They’re all hundreds of yards away, but crystal clear on the room-dominating display inside the department’s crime center, a classroom-sized space with walls covered in monitors flashing real- time crime data—surveillance and license plate reader camera feeds, gunshot detection reports, digital maps showing the location of cop cars across the city. As more 911 calls come in, AI transcribes them on another screen. Fecht can access any of it with a few clicks.

Twenty minutes down the road from Dunwoody, in an office where Flock Safety’s cameras and gunshot detectors are arrayed like museum pieces, 38-year-old CEO and cofoun­der Garrett Langley presides over the $300 million (estimated 2024 sales) company responsible for it all. Since its founding in 2017, Flock, which was valued at $7.5 billion in its most recent funding round, has quietly built a network of more than 80,000 cameras pointed at highways, thoroughfares and parking lots across the U.S. They record not just the license plate numbers of the cars that pass them, but their make and distinctive features—broken windows, dings, bumper stickers. Langley estimates its cameras help solve 1 million crimes a year. Soon they’ll help solve even more. In August, Flock’s cameras will take to the skies mounted on its own “made in Amer­ica” drones. Produced at a factory the company opened earlier this year near its Atlanta offices, they’ll add a new dimension to Flock’s business and aim to challenge Chinese drone giant DJI’s dominance.

Langley offers a prediction: In less than 10 years, Flock’s cameras, airborne and fixed, will eradicate almost all crime in the U.S. (He acknowledges that programs to boost youth employment and cut recidivism will help.) It sounds like a pipe dream from another AI-can-solve- everything tech bro, but Langley, in the face of a wave of opposition from privacy advocates and Flock’s archrival, the $2.1 billion (2024 revenue) police tech giant Axon Enterprise, is a true believer. He’s convinced that America can and should be a place where everyone feels safe. And once it’s draped in a vast net of U.S.-made Flock surveillance tech, it will be.

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 127 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

glances at white house

might wana start with that... 👀

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

34x convicted but not sentenced criminal in there.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 116 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thinks it can ~~eliminate all crime in America~~ make a shit load of money

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And if/when it eliminates all crime it will just lobby to make more things illegal.

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[–] Hegar@fedia.io 71 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is just an ad for obvious bullshit. Forbes may as well be running articles about how ozempic is done because of this one weird trick a local veteran discovered.

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[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They’re going to build a society in which all basic needs such as access to food, water, education, housing, and health care are provided to all people making the need for most crime unnecessary???

[–] AceBonobo@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago

That would actually be cheaper than what they're trying to do.

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 41 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So they're gunna use AI to find ways to better fund public education and harm reduction programs to keep people out of prisons while eliminating the pretext for hyper-militarized policing forces? Right?

...Right?

[–] philosloppy@lemmy.world 40 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

there's a lot of mid-century French theorists spinning in their graves right now

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[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 3 weeks ago

Oh look, it's the main villain in a Cyberpunk novel.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

This company has illegally installed their cameras in more than one town, then tried to sell the local police force on them.

They have lawyers on staff that they use to coach local politicians on how to hold the votes to establish contracts with them in ways that aren't technically illegal, but ensure that no community opposition has a way to have their voices heard.

You can find a lot of these sprts of stories by searching online. In local subreddits, ones dedicated to talking about flock, and local news.


Benn Jordan has a good 40 minute video giving an overview of these systems, how they work, what they track, and why they are a problem. He highlights some cases where families were held at gunpoint by police due to failures of these systems. He also experiments with defeating the AI that reads plates.


Louis Rossman is currently leading a campaign against their installation where he lives in Austin, Texas right now. Has a number of videos on it.

Overview before the Austin City Council vote: https://youtu.be/4RM09nKczVs

Call for people to show up at the Austin City Council session to discuss the potential contract with Flock, and showing how difficult it is to find this sort of stuff and be involved with your local government: https://youtu.be/g4vL1ERdZ9Y

Call to action 2: https://youtu.be/hDOmYqlwxD4

Austin City Council reschedules the vote (in a questionably illegal fashion) with less than 24 hours notice when they realize they kicked the hornet's nest: https://youtu.be/iscDYp6dtl8

Minor followup during the wait for the revised time, at two of the three parks with 90% of reported car break ins these cameras are meant to deter: https://youtu.be/2QbtDWrlPpc

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Also, yeah there really isn't much out there about this surveillance AI company that just kind of appeared out of nowhere ~2017.

Kinda like this other one that appeared out of nowhere ~2015

I wanted to share this article but wasn't sure if it would be allowed bc it's not a typical source https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/ai-surveillance-flock-safety-privacy-us-dunwoody-125090900393_1.html

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

They were coming up all over the place when I was looking for a new job ~3 years ago. Everything about them skeeved me out and I had to keep ignoring their postings.

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[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

He also experiments with defeating the AI that reads plates.

Whoever figures out how to make this shit worthless is going to be given king like status very quickly

BTW have you heard of this new tx law targeting "jugging?"

It sounds like a made up excuse to pull people over for trying to fool plate readers https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20899084

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[–] Hackworth@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
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[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 37 points 3 weeks ago

I'll believe it when they catch a McDonald's manager shorting his employees' wages.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 36 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Before we try to manage the entire population at large, let's just eliminate crime in prisons and jails. That's a controlled environment, but it's rife with crime. If we can't fix a controlled environment, how can we possibly fix an open environment?

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 3 weeks ago

They don't want to fix it, they want power intended to help fix it, similar to what prison guards have, outside of prisons.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 35 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Before reading anything else, I'm going all in on this only mentioning violent or public crimes and ignoring financial or corporate crimes

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 3 weeks ago

Cameras + Drones + AI. Yup, nothing to solve the real crimes.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 35 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Haven't there been countless sci-fi movies and novels warning us about the many ways this approach can go horribly wrong?

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[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

uk has cameras on every street corner and there's still crime.

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[–] bier@feddit.nl 31 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Americans when you talk about gun control: NOOO mah freedom, I need it to protect myself from the government.

Americans when you tell them a private company is going to monitor and track every citizen, basically making a dystopian police state: I have nothing to hide so it's fine.

I feel Europe is basically the other way around, less guns, but more privacy.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I was going to say have you looked at the shit the U.K. is doing lately, but sometimes I forget they voted their way into authoritarianism

I will say though, I'm very surprised there have been so many local governments within Europe that seem to be allowing this kind of shit.

https://www.dw.com/en/german-police-expands-use-of-palantir-surveillance-software/a-73497117

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[–] xcel@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Don't be so sure about the privacy part. Sure Europe so far seems to have had a privacy first policy, but that's about to change in the coming days https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

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[–] Broken@lemmy.ml 30 points 3 weeks ago

This company needs to get shut down. Invasive. Illegal. Immoral. They are ushering in a police state and anti privacy world, and of course profiting from it.

You can piss on us, but don't tell us it's rain.

[–] OboTheHobo@ttrpg.network 28 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

The only way you could actually come close to eliminating all crime would be if you eliminated poverty. But that would make the rich less rich, so not gonna happen.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Or if you just kept everyone in a closely monitored prison so that only people above the law could commit crimes without fear of consequences.

Like in China there isn't really much of an issue with petty theft anymore bc people are afraid of getting caught, but corruption is through the fucking roof. Just not a crime you would be punished for bc it requires a position of power to commit it in the first place

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[–] ApeNo1@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Does that include the content theft used to train the AI models?

Of course not

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[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I want to see the camera that will stop white-collar crime.

[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago

That's kind of the point. Only target crime by poor brown people as they can't afford lawyers.

Try putting a surveillance system in a corporate boardroom and see how that goes over.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 21 points 3 weeks ago

Are they going to place cameras in the white house? Because that would be a start.

[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 weeks ago
[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago

Is this ~~damage control~~ propaganda after the popular Benn Jordan video?

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If you think you want to live in a place where all crime has been eliminated, you are just wrong. You do not want to live in such a place.

That's the thing, no crime but nobody feels safe ever again.

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[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 16 points 3 weeks ago

No they don't.

They think saying they do will make them rich.

[–] goatinspace@feddit.org 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Chinese drones, hardware, software will make America great again👍

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 14 points 2 weeks ago

Flock routinely buys leaked personal data off the darkweb. They also have a highly insecure network and a ton of false positives. They need to banned and their CEO jailed with all his assets confiscated and/or frozen.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Make trains run by the clock, eh?

He acknowledges that programs to boost youth employment and cut recidivism will help.

Even better. State programs of giving people bullshit jobs earning their gratitude, loyalty and readiness to join, say, some paramilitary force?

He’s convinced that America can and should be a place where everyone feels safe. And once it’s draped in a vast net of U.S.-made Flock surveillance tech, it will be.

A knife can be used both for cutting bread and for cutting off heads. And they are.

A gun can be used both for stopping a very bad person and for stopping a very good person. And they are.

And a surveillance net of drones (that can also carry weapons) can be used both for reducing crime and reducing dissent. And it will be.

There are moments when I'm glad I live in a backwards (relatively to the US) country.

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[–] heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This feels like fanfiction where one of the hardy boys goes to the extreme to solve crimes by creating a dystopian future.

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[–] apftwb@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

I wonder how they intend to tackle white collar crime.

[–] unphazed@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How to stop crime in America in one easy step: lose all laws. Runnerup solution: hold wealthy accountable to existing laws and remove loopholes for the elite, allowing wealth inequality to balance and improve access to education and basic human needs. One to me seems more practical, but I'd bet that many see both as equally horrible solutions.

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[–] m3t00@piefed.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 weeks ago

"They want to build a prison" "They want to build a prison" "Another prison system" "Another prison system" "For you and me to live in"

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] jhoward@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 2 weeks ago

Sounds like a flock of shit to me.

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