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Aside from men being horny in the 1800s, and this being a holdover since that time, is there any actual reason why this hasn't changed?

If society was dominated by women, would this be more likely to change?

I was sweating my ass off hiking in the hot sun, and the question has been bothering me all day after my top soaked through with sweat.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 99 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It’s legal where I live, but nobody does it cause women don’t wanna be stared at and cat called when they’re walking around titties out

[–] Chromebby@lemmy.world 55 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

^Real answer. It’s not just men, you’d definitely get stared at by everybody lol. It’s not bad but I notice a few stares here and there just going without a bra

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[–] MoonManKipper@lemmy.world 92 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They also don’t want to be photographed and end up with their tits all over social media. Places where this used to be routine (European beaches and so on) there is a lot less of this than 30 years ago. Another thing mobiles phones and social media have made worse

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My mom seemed to always have them out.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And we all loved her for that.

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[–] Global_Liberty@lemmy.ml 56 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In much of Europe and North America, female toplessness is legal. As for why women don't take advantage of it when exercising, breast movement varies from annoyance to uncomfortable and throwing off momentum depending upon size. As a result, many women exercise wearing what is most convenient: a sports-bra top. However, concerns about harassment are sadly valid.

Women are the majority of voting age adults, but they aren't a homogeneous group voting exclusively on gender. 45% of women voted for Trump in 2024.

As a male who exercises in high heat on occasion (35-38c), I have never once thought that I'd rather be naked. I wear breathable, light colored clothing. I also wear a top. Sun burns aren't healthy.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

breast movement varies from annoyance to uncomfortable

As a teenager and young woman, not being able to find a good super supportive sports bra for my weird size was one of the reasons I stopped trying to exercise.

I still hold my boobs automatically when taking the stairs or when I run somewhere. Otherwise it hurts and feels like my breasts are being torn away from my body.

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[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In my experience (as a trans woman who has experienced both sides of this coin), I can no longer get away with being topless in most situations. However, I can get away with wearing less in more situations. It's acceptable for me to wear a short cut, sleeveless tank top or boob tube in situations where it would be difficult for a guy to wear a singlet or other sleeveless top.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I am personally very upset that on some specific day during my transition, it was no longer acceptable for me to be shirtless in public. During summer I get consent from visitors to my house, and have my housemates consent, so go shirtless at home.

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[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Vice versa, they can't wear skirts for hot days, but gals can.

The answer is imho, holdovers from more sexist days, and a general attitude of not wanting to be seen as effeminate/photographed by creeps.

Even though guys have been wearing kilts for many years, in various cultures; and there's AI slop now anyway that keeps 'em busy instead.

Iirc it's also allowed in some countries. Naturism is bigger in them.

[–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Men can wear skirts if they want.
Edit: oh, its probably illegal now in the US

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As a man who owns multiple kilts I can confirm there will be some assholes that have something to say.

On the other hand, those encounters have been outweighed by the compliments and enthusiasm I've also gotten.

All that said, I say just do you. Haters gonna hate, people will judge. Stop caring about those people and live Your life.

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[–] observes_depths@aussie.zone 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

For what it's worth I think it's kinda weird for other guys to not wear a shirt in public, like dude what are you doing, put your shirt on.

[–] TheMadBeagle@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Honestly I hate this take, saying everyone should have a to cover up to me is just was weird as saying one group should have to. There is literally no explanation you can give for this position that isn't a personal problem you should get over.

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[–] dom@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

There's also been a rise in swim shirts for boys and men. Which I see as a positive. Especially when it comes to sun exposure

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[–] victorz@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Aside from men being horny in the 1800s

Men aren't horny now?

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[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I live in Ontario, Canada, where it's perfectly legal for women to be topless.

I've never actually seen anyone exercise that right (at least in person), but it's a right.

[–] RoquetteQueen@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Legally it's allowed but socially it isn't. We can't go topless without being endlessly harassed and probably assaulted. It was bad enough when I walked home with my bikini top after going swimming.

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[–] teagrrl@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago

They can, but harassment from men keeps lots of women from doing so. We already get harassed when we're covered.

[–] dingus@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

So I get that socially in most places it is not acceptable for women to go totally topless. We can argue about double standards, but I'll let other people do that.

What I actually have noticed is that nowadays in a lot of Western cultures, women can get away with just wearing just a bra with no shirt in public. No, it's still not being totally topless, but it is a lot better heat-wise than wearing both a bra and then a shirt on top. Just it can't be like lingerie, but more like a sports bra or something. I've done it when heading into a shop after going for a run and not gotten any complains. I see others just occasionally walking around in something a sports bra when it's hot out, not even relating to intense exercise. Try it.

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[–] communism@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

There was a movement to decriminalise women being topless (because it is actively criminalised in a lot of places). Unfortunately it's fallen off. It's particularly ridiculous because women are the ones who have an actual need to expose their breasts in public, ie some women need to breastfeed—no men need to.

Some people get turned on seeing topless men but it's not a sex crime for men to be shirtless in public. Free the nipple 2025

[–] drq@mastodon.ml 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

@communism

> Some people get turned on seeing topless men

If someone sees my torso and gets aroused, why is it my problem? Moreover, why is this even a problem at all?

You get hots from other people? Congratulations, you're human.

All of this is such a non-issue. And it's just to keep women down.

@Wahots

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 2 points 6 days ago

Some people get turned on seeing topless men but it’s not a sex crime for men to be shirtless in public.

This is the thing that really bothered me. It's so one-sided. Perhaps people won't be comfortable doing it, for various reasons, but the legal limitation is what actually irritates me. One silver lining is that a lot of places are starting to allow it, even if culturally, it hasn't picked up yet.

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[–] Damarus@feddit.org 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I would prefer if men didn't do that either.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I think everyone should be allowed to go shirtless. They ain't hurting nobody. Also, I would if I had a fit body to show off.

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[–] Flickerby@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There are quite a lot of places where women can go topless. They just choose not to.

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[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

The enlightened masses constitute a percentage of the total population far lower than you'd think

[–] Antagnostic@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

It's legal in most the US states too.

[–] Mamdani_Da_Savior@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Man here

If you ladies wanna walk around shirtless at the gym and work out I personally have no objection and I promise I won't say a word to you.

However you are going get looks, a lot of them.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Legally, a lot of places it's been court tested, and you actually can. Culturally, it's just kind of that way. Hair is banned in Arabia, tits can hang out in Papua New Guinea. The West says no boobs but hair is fine.

A genital covering is the only cultural universal, although it can sometimes be overly revealing by Western standards, like with penis gourds.

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They can in many areas but chose not to. So you’d have to ask them why they don’t when they can. Why aren’t they setting an example for the other areas? Like New York I believe allows women to go topless. The Empire State. Home of the biggest or at least most populous state in America and they don’t do it.

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[–] teolan@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

In many countries in public spaces women can be topless wherever men can. Sadly it doesn't mean they feel safe/comfortable doing so.

Honestly, I don't think it is the men saying you can't be topless. It's other women. I am pretty sure that even though I would get used to boobs everywhere, I would still be in a generally better mood. Boobs just make most guys happy. I don't know if it would make women who are attracted to women happy too, but maybe.

[–] menemen@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tbh, I'd much prefer if no one did.

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Because of creeps, freaks, and prudes

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

As a cis male, I'm totally in favor of this idea.

In fact, I went to school in Germany and I was throwing a frisbee with some friends in the park. It was a beautiful summer day, which was rare, and I retrieved the disc that landed near an attractive young lady sunning herself topless. I still think of her fondly.

[–] KaChilde@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And this comment is why women often do not go topless, even if the laws in a country allow it.

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[–] Quilotoa@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (9 children)

They can (Canada) but they don't because guys think with their hormones.

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[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

In Australia nudity depends on the context. Like it's probably ok at the beach, but less ok most other places.

Not having boobs myself... isn't it uncomfortable just having them swinging around everywhere like if you're exercising?

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