Still better than Trump smearing the blood of dead Palestinian civilians all over his face as a cheap replacement for his normal clown makeup
this post was submitted on 22 Sep 2025
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Comparing the height of an ant to the width of a hair becomes rather meaningless when you're trying to get through the second-storey window of a burning building. What you have given is the lowest possible bar, as the person they're supposedly better than is actively suborning genocide.
While the US directly supplies weapons, funding, and openly encourages escalation against Palestine, while we threaten and extort these countries from recognizing Palestinian statehood, you claim no discernable difference between these two stances. Maybe a timeless god would see things your way but here in this shitty reality this is about as stark as the contrast gets outside of the Middle East.
I don't disagree that there is a difference, but setting the bar at "isn't actively saying, with public, official statements, that they support the extermination of the native population of Palestine" is just too low a bar for me. As I've said in another comment here, from my perspective, this is nothing but a bunch of bullies who've been kicking some kid, and now that one of the bullies has clearly done permanent damage, they're all saying "hey bro, it's just a joke, bro, are you okay, bro?" Not even trying to stop the other two bullies who are still actively curb-stomping the kid.
As the comic implies, it just seems like a publicity stunt, because doing this now doesn't appear to have any actual value any longer, because I don't see how recognising a government-in-exile is going to meaningfully help any part of the plight of the Palestinian people. This just seems like a pragmatic thing that they think will drum up public support, while not requiring them to actually do anything, because they know that any actual enforcement of international law against the war criminals would require the US' cooperation, so they're "safe" to make these too-little-too-late declarations of "support".
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I really don't see the point this is trying to make. Like, would it be better if they didn't recognize it at all?
Imagine if someone punched you over and over again in the face and said, "Sorry, I'll stop." You'd be happy that they'd stopped, but you wouldn't like them or forget, especially because their friend is still currently punching you in the face.
But between stopping or not I'd definitely prefer stopping
This, except their friend is actually shooting your starving children, then bombing the hospital they're being kept in.
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It is RATHER FUCKING LATE. Sure, let's put together anti-poaching laws for the White Rhino after it's already extinct in the wild! Now, let's find other ways to do precisely nothing of any meaningful value while being able to claim moral superiority and that "at least we eventually did something". Now that the complete obliteration of any meaningful civilisation in the vast majority of occupied Palestine has been completed, and after god-knows-how-many thousands have died of starvation or just being shot like rabid dogs while trying to take the mangled bodies of their children to a hospital, or daring to try to pick up food. Recognising a state which is in exile is precisely as useful to actual Palestinian people as just watching and shrugging your shoulders. It's just an attempt at performative retroactive unfucking.
We all know it's fucking late, but it makes little sense to complain when someone is finally doing the right thing.
Better late than never.
In case my point was unclear, this is no longer "them doing the right thing". What, precisely, do you believe is the benefit of this action to the Palestinian people? This is a great way of drumming up public support without actually having to do anything. Is there actually any commitment here to action? Is there actually any real cost to doing this? Have these countries ceased funding Israel? Have they stepped up aid? Are they even acknowledging that it is a genocide?
Perhaps I am wrong, but I don't think I am. This is nothing but a publicity stunt, and until it's backed up by real action, I refuse to perceive this as "doing the right thing". This is nothing but a bunch of bullies who've been kicking some kid, and now that one of the bullies has clearly done permanent damage, they're all saying "hey bro, it's just a joke, bro, are you okay, bro?" Not even stopping the other two bullies who are still actively curb-stomping the kid. No. I don't see this as "the right thing".
You are making an argument from ignorance.
First of all, this is something Palestine has wanted for many decades. So finally doing it is absolutely something the Palestinians want.
What, precisely, do you believe is the benefit of this action to the Palestinian people
It marks that the occupation of Palestine by Israel is illegal, making new settlements are illegal.
In short it basically defines almost everything Israel does as illegal and unacceptable by every nation that recognize a Palestinian state.
This is a clear message to Israel that they do NOT have the support of those countries, and their actions are regarded as illegal under international law.
Most likely there will be follow ups to this, that legally depended on this recognition to begin with.
It is also i signal to other countries, that helping Israel oppressing and committing war crimes in Palestine is not acceptable under international law.
Don't let perfect stand in the way of progress.
As someone who is under the godforsaken Nazi regime of MAGA, I have rapidly come to terms with the fact that "illegal" things are only illegal if there is a force willing to enforce the law being broken. Is there such a force? I have heard nothing of it. Please suggest who, exactly, you think is going to actually enforce sanction and punishments for this "illegality". If these declarations do, indeed, have the force of international law behind them, and represent a commitment by these countries to enforce these wondrous and miraculous laws they've been actively ignoring up until this point, then I shall immediately cede the point.
As far as "argument from ignorance" is concerned, I would appreciate some elaboration. Saying "Talk is cheap" is not an argument from ignorance.
You are actually doing it again. The argument from ignorance is that just because you don't see (are ignorant about) the advantage of this, you claim there is no advantage, when in fact there are clear advantages.
With regard to enforcement that is usually a mix of individual countries and the international community, possibly decided in FN, much like we've seen with Iran.
You are living in a lawless country, and USA is not an ally in this regard anymore, but many other countries are actually trying to maintain and uphold international law.
Trump might even get in on it it too, if he thinks it helps his image.
Personally I consider USA a lost cause now, and I have little interest in their policies that mostly consist of shooting themselves in the foot, and let China become the de facto international leader, as USA is stepping down and even sabotaging their former allies on their way down.
I understand why you are pessimistic, I would be too if I lived in USA.
I am not saying "there can be no advantage". At every turn, I was asking you to explain the advantage which, let's be clear, you have been attempting to do in good faith. I just want to understand more about whether this international law is actually enforceable in any meaningful time frame. Saying "I don't see how this helps them in any meaningful way. Do you have some explanation that shows that it does?" is not an argument from ignorance, it is literally asking to be proven wrong. I am desperately trying to see literally anything other than a calculated move of realpolitik with the sole aim of getting their citizens to stop speaking out against their complicity in genocide.
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Thaaaaat's the negative reinforcement that'll ensure they never change their stance next time.
That is the goal, right?
It's saying that recognizing Palestine is how you begin to wash the blood off.
I'm pretty sure its saying they're only recognizing Palesestine to make themselves look better.
The blood is coming off in the stream of water. Their hands are getting cleaner.
You can see the water underneath their hands is red as if blood is being washed off. To me that indicates the message of the cartoon is this is how you start to clean your hands. Note they still aren't clean, but it's a start
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I think this is at least a good step 1, albeit insanely late, but it needs to be followed with sustained action and reparations. If they use this as a marketing tool like the pessimist in me is expecting, then it’s meaningless bullshit. No amount of recognition will wash the blood off of their hands.
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It's setting the stage. It doesn't do much on it's own but if you recognize them as a state rather than just some people it gives leverage to use more diplomatic tools.
How much difference will it actually make? No idea.
You're letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. Should they take no positive steps?
Imagine someone robs your house, causes untold damage, takes all your valuables and shoots your wife, your child, and your dog.
The robbers voluntarily give back the clock you had on the mantelpiece and $20, claiming they feel bad. You get nothing else but those things. The clock is blood-spattered and cracked. But hey, that $20 counts for something, right?
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Better than refusing to recognize Palestine.
Not in the eyes of a lot of people on Lemmy.
"Out, damned spot! ... What, will these hands ne'er be clean?"
What's with the arm for France? It's clearly labeled in a different way than everything else in the picture.
Hmm, good point. Odd.
Recognition of a Palestinian state can only be meaningful if it includes a 2 state solution where Palestine and Israel swap their current claims to land and infrastructure.
Better than Denmark waiting for: All the hostages returned, Hamas completely out of power, and all weapons gone from Palestinians. I.e. for the genocide to be completed.
They are all corrupted by members of the new world Mafia. And all those that think they can participate in the false hopeful progressive government that exists for humanity is just naive and used... Because that never existed.