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[–] bigchungus@piefed.blahaj.zone 104 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 77 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Well that's not ominous at all.

[–] Twanquility@feddit.dk 44 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Someone wrote that code. I like to imagine that they know it's wrong, so they frame it as clearly as they can, without being fired. Guy could have written "Gaming Copilot is invading your privacy", or something like it, but that wouldn't pass.

[–] voytrekk@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago

With Microsoft, that code could have been written by AI too.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its frankly fucking comedic. Someone seriously thought that was a good way for it to communicate that its turned on πŸ˜‚

I mean, it's apt. But companies are usually better at pretending they're not up to anything nefarious πŸ˜…

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The box says "Gaming Copilot is watching YouTube", where "YouTube" is the name of the browser tab that was open when that screenshot was taken.

The dialog basically says "Gaming Copilot is watching [your currently opened app/tab]".

The text being cut off is making it look funny, but sadly no, no one wrote that message.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Ahh, thank you for correcting me, I appreciate it

Have a good one!

[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Anything involving Copilot makes me happy to be a Mac user.

If you have a machine that runs Windows and the hardware is still good, it’s time to give Linux a chance. Look into Proton for gaming (it’s a translation layer, like WINE I suppose). And let’s stop acting like Macs are the odd one out. Macs run UNIX. Windows is the odd one out! ;)

[–] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 62 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

We may collect information such as occupation, language, zip code, area code, unique device identifier, referrer URL, location, and the time zone where an Apple product is used so that we can better understand customer behavior and improve our products, services, and advertising. We may collect information regarding customer activities on our website, iCloud services, our iTunes Store, App Store, Mac App Store, App Store for Apple TV and iBooks Stores and from our other products and services. This information is aggregated and used to help us provide more useful information to our customers and to understand which parts of our website, products, and services are of most interest. Aggregated data is considered non‑personal information for the purposes of this Privacy Policy. We may collect and store details of how you use our services, including search queries. This information may be used to improve the relevancy of results provided by our services. Except in limited instances to ensure quality of our services over the Internet, such information will not be associated with your IP address. With your explicit consent, we may collect data about how you use your device and applications in order to help app developers improve their apps.

This is from Apple's privacy policy

It seems to me like they collect telemetry just like Windows, and of course some Mac apps do have advertising which is personalized according to the beginning.

Apple has been doing extremely invasive telemetry tracking of your usage since before the release of Big Sur. Gee, I wonder where Microsoft got the idea to invasively gather all this telemetry from the user in the first place?

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This is stuff they collect when you are interacting with Apple services. The problem with windows copilot is that it collects info about everything you do, even when it has nothing to do with Microsoft.

[–] pogmommy@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago

Does "our other products and services" not include macOS? I mean, you don't stop interacting with their product when you open other programs. You're using their product as a means of accessing them.

[–] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

This is stuff they collectΒ when you are interacting with Apple services.

Since you are being vague, I am assuming you are saying thats it's only exclusive to Apple-made stuff.

You don't know that, and can't say bullshit like this as if you are an authority on this subject working at Apple.

Please provide sources for your claims.

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[–] RmDebArc_5@piefed.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Wasn’t the point of Apple always that they don’t sell the data to third parties and not that they don’t collect anything?

[–] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I don't think people's concern is that Microsoft is selling data, but that it is collecting it to began with. So for those people Apple wouldn't be any better for PC use, since they are more likely to just be tired of pushing of account logins and data collection for desktop OS.

Point of Apple seemed more to me people liking the aesthics and performance of MacOS itself than seeing it as a privacy respecting OS.

[–] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 6 points 2 weeks ago

That's marketing bullshit that you fell for hook, line, and sinker.

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[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 49 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

MacOS or whatever they call it now is "unix-like" but it's still ultimately a closed environment and definitely not the same, ethically, as a real FOSS OS. Apple doesn't care about you any more than Microsoft or Google, they're also in it for money.

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[–] loutr@sh.itjust.works 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

Proton is WINE, it's a fork maintained by Valve and Codeweaver with DXVK (Direct X -> Vulkan) on top. If you use Steam for gaming it will set up proton automatically for you.

And yes macOS is a step up from Windows, but it's still a walled garden. Want to develop an iOS app? You must buy a Mac, you must buy a developer license, you must use the worst IDE ever created, and you must distribute it through the app store (except in Europe in theory, but they worked hard to make the experience so miserable that almost no one bothers).

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago

Xcode for iOS apps is the shittiest IDE

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 25 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

If you have a machine that runs Windows and the hardware is still good,

Linux is often more forgiving on hardware requirements. I recently put Mint (with xfce) on a like 2013 laptop and it's fine. That's not even an especially lightweight distribution.

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Can confirm, I had a laptop that took multiple minutes to boot and was sluggish as hell, installed linux and after that it booted in 5-10 seconds and felt snappy again

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[–] BoblinTheGoblin@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Doesn't Mac have something similar to Recall that they caught less flack for? I wouldn't trust Apple over Microsoft, they both want your data, Apple just has a faΓ§ade of privacy awareness that they use to make sure others can't get their users data too

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[–] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

if only i didn't have to use adobe products, i'd already be on linux.

[–] booty@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Adobe products suck so fucking much, all of the linux alternatives I've used are better in every way (for my purposes)

[–] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

i'm not against alternatives at all, but most of my industry is, and trying to get it all to play nice is more than a headache

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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"Windows 11 is the best OS since XP"

πŸ—’οΈ COPILOT IS LISTENINGπŸ—’οΈ

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 weeks ago

Ceiling cat is watching you masturbate vibes.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

stop calling everything copilot, Microsoft. it's pathetic

[–] Michal@programming.dev 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It's their AI brand πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ like Samsung calling their android devices Galaxy, and Apple adding i to everything

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[–] itkovian@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Big Brother is watching you. To sell you ads.

[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 4 points 2 weeks ago

And train AI

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[–] Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Avoid all this with W11 IoT Enterprise LTSC

massgrave.dev

[–] Zeon@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

No. Avoid this by switching to a free operating system such as Debian. Windows is proprietary, there is no hope for privacy there.

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[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Windows IoT can have compatibility issues with software because they're not the latest version of Windows (think Debian vs. Arch, but without Debian being the presumed default). Also you can't get a license for it legally.

This is all stuff I've heard second-hand, but it turned me off Windows IoT. So now I main Linux and have Windows 10 on my old Laptop (AND FFS WINDOWS STOP CHANGING MY FIREWALL SETTINGS).

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[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

~~Big Brother~~ Copilot is watching you

[–] Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Is there a way to disable this? I still need to use Windows sometimes

[–] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago

I think if you uninstall the xbox app gaming copilot goes away. Might just be for the ltsc version though, which comes with a regular game bar and no Xbox app and only gets that ability from the Xbox app.

[–] stupid_asshole69@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago

I am once again asking you to go to https://massgrave.dev/windows10_eol and use the instructions to switch your windows install to windows 10 enterprise 21h2 iot ltsc so your computer will receive security updates until the year 2032.

Gaming copilot is a windows 11 feature iirc and the game bar, start menu ads and a bunch of other stuff aren’t present on 21h2 iot ltsc.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 5 points 2 weeks ago

I used WinUtil and PolicyPlus to hopefully get rid of all that BS (at least until the next update...).

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[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And then 9/10 they would probably train that footage on AI.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not 9/10. They literally say in the article they will use the collected data to train their AI.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Reposting from my comment https://lemmy.world/post/37758804/20109240 which I recommend to check, as someone did a test with Dark Souls 1 and IMHO was unsurprisingly disappointing, namely it does recognize the game (honestly, not bad) and get the right boss (which name is literally on screen) and make kind of sometimes useful suggestions. But like... what's the point? Who would play a game and... NOT know its name? Or not be able to search based on a boss name or a weapon name with existing dedicated good online guides?

Anyway... if you still want to try yourself WITHOUT relying on Microsoft consider :

"If someone somehow wants to test this locally I suggest

  • install locally a vision model, e.g. Moondream (which Ollama supports but alternatives too), then
  • take a screenshot of your game,
  • write a prompt like "How can I play this game better"
  • query the vision model with the image and your prompt

marvel at how pointless and costly the whole setup is and how a basic query on e.g. DuckDuckGo with "game name" + prompt would yield way WAY better results from actual human, uninstall the whole, keep on playing with your actual brain.

At least now you can say you tried before you complain, rightfully, that it sucks.

For more check https://fabien.benetou.fr/Content/SelfHostingArtificialIntelligence

PS: I didn't actually try this, I'm too lazy for that right how but feel free to report back if you do!

Edit : 2 potential optimization (despite not being sure it ever makes sense in the first place!)

  • do so automatically, e.g. ~/gaming_screenshots directory (via e.g. Spectacle shortcut) monitored via inotify then notify-send the suggestion, thus stay in game during the whole process
  • fine tune on specific visual datasets, e.g. rely on fextra as mentioned in https://lemmy.world/post/37758804/20113877

" and again feel free to share back results.

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Someone should create CoPirate for Linux, that saves a DRM-free local copy of everyone else's data that goes through your machine. For training purposes, of course.

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