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I can't imagine commuting with Via Rail. As someone using Via once in a while, I don't think it's more expensive than it was. If anything sometimes you can get some accepable deals if you reserve a few weeks in advance. But it sure is absolutely overpriced of you are last minute. It's $50 if I want to see my family tomorrow even if there are still seats in the train, but $25 if I plan the visit a week or two in advance.

It's the whole problem with their pricing system. They don't see themselves as a replacement for cars. You can't get a monthly pass for Via. They see themselves as a tourist attraction.

And unlike other rich countries, we don't even have regional trains. It could also help to have more than 5 trains a day. But again, they don't want to be a commuter service.

Sometimes I wish Exo and GO trains would cover Via rail routes in their respective provinces. It would be so much more convenient for everyone. And with Alto eventually coming, will Via ever be improved?

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago (6 children)

It's definitely overpriced for what it is. The trains are often late and share the same tracks as CN or other freight trains which have priority. It's so dumb. And it's slow as he'll.

Canada needs to invest in expanding the network and providing exclusive tracks.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Rail companies have to pay property taxes on the rails, trucking companies don’t have to pay property taxes on the roads. This was done to ensure trucking is cheaper than rail.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Don't be so sure about the taxes thing; CN was around before Canada, they have some pretty weird privileges, like right of ways that supercede municpalities and their own police force.

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Canada needs to invest in expanding the network and providing exclusive tracks.

best we can do is give away billions to car companies who consistently fail to deliver the promised benefits

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

yes, of course that's going to be a big thing. You cannot tell me your against investments into sectors that will provide jobs (not talking about these two of course but in general)?

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Canada's passenger rail network in 1955 and 1980. It's gotten worse since then. Privatizing the rail network, then cut after cut after cut of the passenger service's funding. Carney is further slashing it so tickets are likely going to rise.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Carney is further slashing it so tickets are likely going to rise.

True nation building projects would be increase rail service or anything that makes it easier to travel around Canada, festivals, cultural events, an inner-Canada student exchange (or something for adults), retaking third spaces, etc. Projects that make people connect and enjoy being Canadian. Instead we get fucking resource extraction as the economy trumps everything.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago

Retaking third places as in private equiry buying them up right? 🥹

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

In true Liberal fashion.

[–] GrindingGears@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

That's my big issue with VIA, it's not even the price (which for the record is getting to be a lot), it's the fact that you can't actually rely on it. Usually it's Ok, and you are within the projected hour, but it's a single line you are usually on, those freight trains are a huge issue and everything but you get's priority. I'd never consider VIA cross country unless I was ok with +/- 2 or 3 days.

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm mostly familiar with trains in Germany and I know a comparison is unfair, but it seems like we're missing an entire part of a coherent transit system.

We have Via trains, that can loosely be compared to Inter-city trains. Long distance between cities and more expensive. We also have commuter trains like GO and Exo that serves a metro area and all the suburbs around. They are cheaper (subsidized), you can get a monthly pass, no seat reservation, and they are more frequent (than Via trains).

But we have nothing akin to regional rail. I'll just quote a definition from Wikipedia:

Regional rail usually provides rail services between towns and cities, rather than purely linking major population hubs in the way inter-city rail does. Regional rail operates outside major cities. Unlike Inter-city, it stops at most or all stations between cities. It provides a service between smaller communities along the line that are often byproducts of ribbon developments, and also connects with long-distance services at interchange stations located at junctions, terminals, or larger towns along the line. Alternative names are "local train" or "stopping train".

I understand the people complaining in the article, but as someone without a car, I also rolled up my eyes and thought 'but what did they expect from Via?' Exo and GO trains are specifically for commuting but they don't reach them. Relying on last minutes tickets from Via for commuting is, IMHO, a bit insane. They are missing a regional train. Right now our society expects them to drive their car (electric!) to Oshawa then use GO, if they want to commute by train.

We are missing regional trains in Québec too. It's equally stupid that someone can go from Montréal to the end of an Exo train line for $10 while the next city with Via would cost triple that, and with less departures. There's also two rail lines between Montréal and Sherbrooke. Both are used for freight, but no passenger trains. I'm still salty about this one because the little town where I grew up, on one of those lines, had passenger trains for more than a century before being cut by Paul Martin in the 90ies.

Beyond the recurring issues that you mentioned with the priorities and the lack of tracks, neither our provinces nor the federal government have any cohesive plan for transit. It's either by city and metro region, or Inter-city with Via or coach. Nothing in between. Even if we give priority to passenger trains, we're stuck with a ginormous car culture that says trains and buses are a waste of taxpayers money. I would really love to see more investment than just in Alto, even if it's still a good thing, but I'm afraid Via is going to stagnate for a while longer.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 45 minutes ago* (last edited 45 minutes ago)

I'm mostly familiar with trains in Germany

You know our train system is unreliable when DB is an example of how to do it better...

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You mean regional rail like this?

And this?

That's from 1955.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is kinda what the REM is supposed to be from what I understand. It has its own dedicated tracks and connects suburban commuters to Montreal.

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The REM solves the issue of dedicated tracks, but it's a light rail stuck to a core metropolitan region, because it's "for profit". It wouldn't reach the people complaining in the article, because they are too far, and not profitable.

Plus, the financing method for the REM, a public-private partnership, is cannibalizing public transit in the Montréal region. It has a non-compete clause with public transit, because profit.

The REM is not a model to follow.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

You bring good points, the REM isn't perfect, and it is kinda weird that it's half-private.

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I understand why Germans whine about their trains but I'm so damn jealous. If we could only have half of their system. At least some regional trains!

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

In case you haven't seen it, watch and weep. This is what neoliberalism does to a country.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Everytime, I watch "Not Just Bikes", I get a little more radicalize.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 hours ago

You should. Me too. There's damn good reasons to get radicalized.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why can't I take a train from Montréal to Lévis?????

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Huh? I'm not sure if you're serious but I can give it a try.

Short answer : The tracks to Lévis have been removed decades ago and it's now a bike path.

Cynical answer: There are still tracks close enough to the city that a connection and new station could be built. However Via Rail is required to be profitable so it wouldn't happen. It's North America, just use a car (electric)!

Car-less person answer: You kind of can. Take a train to Québec City and use the ferry to Lévis.

But to me the bigger rhetorical question is, why the hell doesn't the Québec region have any kind of commuter trains.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The Quebec city route + ferry is a 5 hour trip, compared to 2.5 hours by car, so I don't really consider it viable.

You can't take a direct train to Lévis, you have to stop somewhere first.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Liberals and conservatives destroying train service in Canada once again...

[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 hours ago

well we are a car culture, what did you expect?

[–] GrindingGears@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

VIA has been on the downs for quite awhile. It's nothing to do with the past few governments, it's been on the decline for probably 30 years at this point.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Literally because how much it was funded by the past governments. It’s a crown corporation…

[–] GrindingGears@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

I just meant that's a long established trend. Like usually it's fuck Trudeau or fuck Carney or PP. When it really should be like Fuck Harper, heck Fuck Paul Martin, etc. It's been long long long ignored, is my point.

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

That and the regulatory capture of transport Canada by the freight railways