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I can't say I've ever seen that. Partly because my friends would never attack someone for linking something, partly because I've never met anyone who likes Discovery.
I actually liked that Archer was so often out of his depth and had to put on a false confidence. It'd be weird if Starfleet just immediately hit the ground running with an absolute heavyweight of a captain like Picard or something.
I feel like it was a purposeful character choice to have him bumbling around, not really sure what the fuck he was doing, but having to act as if he did for the sake of the crew.
He's meant to be somewhat bad at his job, and regularly confidently incorrect.
Not to mention that a lot of his actions become the basis for which the Prime Directive is created. Dude was a bit less "cowboy diplomacy" and more straightforward "cowboy" with decision making.
The "your not my real dad!" relationship with Vulcans at the started didn't help either.
Happy to have first watched Enterprise more than ten years after its initial run.
Let me watch it objectively without too much influencing from outside...
I'm watching it for the first time, almost at the end of s3. Honestly it's pretty decent. The Xindi stuff was on shaky ground for a while, but they recovered. It's good, but I haven't had any episodes stand out as particularly excellent or terrible
That's it: Overall pretty solid.
E.g. definitely better first season than TNG.
Xindi was crap imho, but some really good stuff in season 4.
I was sad that they didn't produce more after that.
That first season of tng showed us how functional data is I wouldn't change it for the urge
The Xindi arc has value as a snapshot of american mindset post 9-11. Justifying torture as an answer to terrorist act in a Star Trek series was wild.
Justifying torture as an answer to terrorist act in a Star Trek series was wild.
fucking hell. I thought the pegasus was bad. Then I saw Sisko bomb a planet , section 31 in DS9, and now this.
They might as well have thrown Rodenberry's bust into a woodchipper.
I'm glad they covered it but disgusted they leaned into it.
I’m just gonna say it. When writing things, you should never fuck with time. There are very good shows that do a good job of it, without it becoming the answer to everything.
Star Trek is not one of those shows. (Dr. who, comes to mind.)
Still over all enjoyed enterprise.
The time loop episode of TNG (Cause and Effect) is one of my favourite things I have ever watched. But that doesn't affect the overall timeline so I don't think it counts against your argument, which I agree with.
I swear, you can check the IMDb page for just about any sci-fi series, and there is about a 50% chance the top rated episode is a time loop episode.
I don't care for a lot of discovery, but I can't say it's not entertaining. I have made it to season 2 episode 9 so far. Not sure why but I stopped there and picked up another show.
It doesn't rank in my top 3 series, but it's not deserving of all the hate it gets.
I love strange new worlds, haven't seen the newest season yet but I'm working on rewatching the whole series.
I haven't seen Picard, and honestly I don't think I will. I won't pass judgment on it's quality, as I haven't seen any of it, but I know enough to know I might be disappointed.
And if I'm being honest with myself I just want to keep the nostalgia of TNG the way it is: Pretending Nemesis never happened.
The new shows are overall good. Every show has its hits and misses. I skip a lot of season 1 TNG.
And I skip the intro of every Enterprise episode. No, I don't have enough faith, at least not while watching the show. It's a banger though and in my Playlist.
It's okay to not like the new shows, it's not okay to shit on other people who do.
I hate to break it to you but s3 of SNW takes a major dip in quality.
S3 of Picard is watchable without having seen the first 2 seasons (the second season is the worst Star Trek I have ever sat through), and gives the characters the send off they deserve.
At least in my peer group, people hated Voyager when it was running too.
I remember people hating on DS9 and TNG as well.
Pretty much every series has had plenty of people who just hate it for not being the previous series.
Which is why I ignored people dogging on Discovery and just watched and enjoyed it, same as the rest.
(I'll admit to being harsh on Enterprise at first, but a lot of it was that intro... Plus, it did take a while to get its feet under it)
I didn't necessarily hate it, but it was a significant step down after DS9 and TNG.
(And to demonstrate that I am not biased against new Star Treks: I am one of the few human beings alive who loved the first season of Star Trek: Picard when it came out!)
I considered putting Janeway's head on the character in the background here
There was alot to like about Voyager but they also dropped the ball alot too.
Enterprise wasn’t my favorite but I understand how people like it. Strange New Worlds is weird but I understand how people like it. Picard was a shitload of fan service but I understand how people like it. Lower Decks has very generic animation, but I understand how people can like it.
Discovery took everything that made Star Trek Star Trek and told it to go fuck itself. I don’t understand how people can like it.
Discovery took everything that made Star Trek Star Trek and told it to go fuck itself. I don’t understand how people can like it.
was this before or after you saw the federation indulge in CIA like antics in TNG : The pegasus, or once you saw sisko violate the rules of war by bombing a planet full of civillians?
To be honest, Trek was never Trek, unless you select a specific bunch of episodes between season 3 and 6 of TNG.
Trek is science fiction not science fantasy. I am talking about suspension of disbelief not adherence to Gene’s impossible original vision.
OK, I thought the people complaining about Disc were complaining about ethics and how Starfleet behaved. I didn't know it had magic BS too.
Discovery took everything that made Star Trek Star Trek and told it to go fuck itself. I don’t understand how people can like it.
Yeah me neither, but I still sorta like the show in a popcorn movie kinda of way. What really really annoys me about the show is Michelle Yeoh. A major miscast. Great actress but she can't really play a evil bitch boss convincingly, she just reminds me of the try-hard Asian tiger moms in my family. Just straight up cringe. I'm still glad Discovery exists so Strange New Worlds could get greenlit.
New stuff always draws fire because of the hypothetical great thing the creators could be doing instead. Time will pass, it will become old and familiar, the hate will burn out, and people will start to eventually appreciate it for what is actually was instead of hating it for what it wasn't.
Aside from the fucking God awful theme song, I actually liked Enterprise
I actually liked the theme song tbh. Its cheesy but has a charm to it and I think it fits the "early exploration" kind of vibe they seemed to be going for with the setting and timeframe choice.
I didn't like the theme song at all at first, but near the end of season 2 it finally started to grow on me.
Then they changed it and made it more poppy in season 3 and I never, ever grew to like that version, it was just awful.
Which new show am I hating on?
(Also I liked enterprise. Just skip the last episode with Ryker apparently being Chef.)(discovery. Not so much.)
the last episode with Ryker apparently being Chef
Lame that people care so much what other people like.