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[–] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 93 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Conveniently, that bus stop also punishes anyone else who makes the mistake of waiting for a bus there.

Ugh, I just want a bench.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 39 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

At this point they're getting rid of the shelters entirely. I'd settle for not having to wait for a bus while standing in the rain

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 32 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

But a homeless person might suffer a little bit less if they aren't wet

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Damn you right. What if we just rip up the sidewalk and replace it with razor wire?

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Let's just skip to the end, plant a spiked sign that says "He who enters here, abandon all hope", and just run pipes under the sidewalks to make them 80 degrees celsius. Make it look like Mordor, fuck everyone...rich and poor.

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago

The bus also only arrives once every hour (inconsistently)

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 86 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Hostile architecture. When you only want to fight the symptoms, not the cause.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 43 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

My county paid money to put up signs at intersections specifically telling people not to give money to the homeless

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

My city has a few of those, but specifically in places where the structure of the intersection has an island somehwre right in the middle of traffic, and people were being hit by cars frequently. Go pan handle somewhwre you're not likely to be run over.

But the disdain extends to the elderly and pregnant women when it comes to our bus stops. They don't have seats at all anymore. They even ripped out the seats that used to exist.

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

go panhandle somewhere you aren't likely to get run over

Again, fighting the symptoms and not the cause. Cause, god forbid, we have pedestrian friendly infrastructure.

Pedestrians getting hit by cars is not the fault of the pedestrian. It is the result of inconsiderate drivers not paying attention with their two ton death machines and infrastructure designed to cater to drivers at the expense of being hostile to pedestrians

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 76 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Can you also make the overpass racist?

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 38 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

purposefully designs the overpass to pass over a black community and evicts them all

*This is actuslly how roads were built in cities the past century. The project "segregation by design" has extremely good archiving of this

[–] justaman123@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

The amount of black/brown neighborhoods in Milwaukee with random infrastructure is absurd. Like why is there an entrance to the highway on this side street?

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 7 points 3 weeks ago

purposefully designs the overpass to pass over a black community and evicts them all

Adds black history mural along the same overpass

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[–] Swaus01@piefed.social 45 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Lmao no imagine being the guy who designed that

"You want me to draw what ?"

"Torture bus stop. Make spikes that stick into their butts. But, uh... make it look 🌠Geometric🌠, so we can pass it off as an innocent post-modernist design quirk."

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[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 41 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Ha, I get it! This is funny because there are no American planners.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

American planner here. We don't actually get to plan shit. We end up being the middlemen between developers and Council. We explain all the rules we didn't get to make, the developers explain to council how hlthey don't even want to follow those rules, then Council overrules us and gives the devs whatever they want.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No shortage of American planners. They just work in hedge funds and board rooms

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

I stand corrected!

So it's not funny? Oh dear

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 40 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Guangzhou, China
Anti-Homeless Spikes to keep them from finding shelter from the rain.

[–] Antitoxic9087@slrpnk.net 20 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

China has an oversupply issue in housing construction in general. it is... as if the problem is not merely building too few houses (as some us centric yimby people believe) but rather an unjust system of resource distribution?

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[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

Man up, America! Two hours each way in crushing, soul destroying traffic is PATRIOTIC. What's good for billionaires is good for the Regular Guy in the job.

[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I doubt even the chinese can build a train line from scratch in 3h

[–] zeca@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The train should move the people that distance in 3h, not be planned in 3h

[–] justaman123@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Statfish@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's what she (the train) said

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[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 weeks ago

But you don't understand how big the US is! We can fit two Chinas in Texas! And we can put five Texases in Texas! Omg it's so huuuuge you guys, public transportation would just not work here, like, ever!!

  • some bootlicker, probably
[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Before Trump, America had democracy and no trains

Now it has no trains and no democracy

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This comment section goes to weird places, man.

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[–] Stitch0815@feddit.org 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (20 children)

What's it with these railway based China propaganda posts?

Yes the US sucks.

Yes you can get a lot done in a totalitarian system.

But: China also sucks.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 63 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

Other democratic countries all manage to have perfectly fine rail systems, it's not solely the domain of totalitarian governments- just functioning governments.

Much like healthcare, it's literally just the US government that fucks it up.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

For those who want to go the "well Europe/Japan/Korea/China/etc had the advantage of being bombed flat in various wars which made rebuilding for rail easier", we STILL have plenty of unused, unmaintained rail in the US. We could do this. Hell, you wanna solve unemployment numbers going up? Public works to rehab the right-of-ways that the big companies aren't using, rehab the rails they ARE using, and suddenly we can AT LEAST enable 100mph trains across the country in less than a decade, and probably bring back passenger rail if we wanted to invest in more rolling stock.

Of course, this means we'd have to lift the steel tariff. And rehab steel mills. And also nationalize good portions of the railway (I'd suggest the entire rail network, and lease usage to the freight companies).

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A really sad fact is that rail lines used to connect even the most rural of communities. Many cities removed rail lines to put in roadways.

You can still find rails to a lot of farms in Idaho because that's how produce used to be shipped.

The big rail companies are a major reason rail sucks in the US. They were given the land for their lines nearly for free with the promise they'd provide public transit. Well, they stopped that. So the US created Amtrak to relieve them of the obligation of public transit with the promise that Amtrak trains would get priority. Well they constantly break that law which makes Amtrak suck with constant delays.

Heck, these companies are at least supposed to be in charge of maintaining the lines, and they don't do that either. The US has a crazy number of derailments and a big reason for some of them is that the tracks receive little maintenance.

These are still multi billion dollar companies and they do what all giant companies do and nickel/dime everything.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

It's actually worse than that- amtrak was a reagan thing, which was meant to intentionally fail so they could give the passenger rail lines to big freight companies as well.

It was literally meant to fail so they could privatize it, but Amtrak pulled off a miracle. Amtrak is actually really, really good in places they can own their own rail- it's why they're really not allowed to build or own their own rail anymore.

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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

There's a stark difference between Chinese propaganda and information about positive things in China.

You can post about good aspects of the Chinese society without mentioning the government, let alone glorifying it. Same goes for the USA. If I post that I like American national parks, does that constitute American propaganda? Are we only allowed to hate on those two countries?

Just because the Chinese model is incompatible with the European or American ones, doesn't mean there's nothing we can learn from it.

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[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 weeks ago (23 children)

You don't have to be authoritarian to accomplish these things. Even the US built some truly amazing infrastructure very quickly following WW2. They just chose to make it all car based. It was impressive from an engineering perspective, but not very smart

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[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Yeah. Can we take Japan as an example perhaps? They've got excellent high speed rail too. Also better urban planning in general.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

In Fact, China uses the same kind of hostile architecture:

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