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It's something I struggle with. Some bad news comes out about some public persona doing something shitty and they get cancelled. But sometimes I really struggle with giving up the things they've made because I like them. There are also occasions where the person has been accused of something and it doesn't seem true to me, or I think they're genuinely sorry and have been punished enough, and the context isn't being considered.

What do you think? Who do you feel conflicted about enjoying?

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[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Kevin Spacey. He's just such a good actor, I like every movie he's in. The first season of House of Cards was amazing too.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

It's really unfortunate.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 73 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Both of the Linuses

Sebastian and Torvalds

Sebastian because most of the shit he's been accused of has either been fixed openly, or was proven mostly false.

Torvalds because while he can be extremely rude, he generally only does it when the person deserves to be called out. It's not like he's going off at random people. Society says he should use more tact, but the dude is literally responsible for creating and now maintaining arguably the most important piece of the server software stack globally. There's also a very high chance he's on the spectrum.

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah people can complain Torvalds was rude all day, but fuck me if the people he yelled at couldn't be aggressively disrespectful in bringing half-assed work to the table and doing damage or at best wasting other's people time.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 34 points 1 week ago (5 children)

He's the literal "You're not wrong, you're just an asshole". But if he wasn't that way, I wonder if we'd have what we have. A nicer developer wouldn't get the same attention.

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[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 19 points 1 week ago

Sebastian because most of the shit he's been accused of has either been fixed openly, or was proven mostly false.

From what I understand, nothing was proven false, but there were things that were not proven true, as in "we couldn't find documented evidence that this employee was sexually harassed", which obviously doesn't necessarily mean that it did not happen. They just couldn't find a paper trail of it happening, which is understandable.

On the other hand, things like all the factual inaccuracies and whatnot were absolutely undeniable.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 68 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I mean, I didn't throw out my Harry Potter boxed set just becsuse Rowling is a dumb fucking TERF. I just don't continue buying shit she profits off of, and can see tons of questionable things in her work that I didn't question before knowing her thoughts on things.

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[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 64 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I like the world building in Fifth Element and Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets. But Luc Besson is probably a rapist and certainly a sexual assaulter. I'll watch his old stuff I already own but won't put any more money towards it nor support any new projects.

Edit: oh, also he's not "cancelled". He came out with another movie this year or last, if I recall. 9 times our of 10, celebrities that say they were "cancelled" just had their feefees hurt by people on social media.

[–] lemmylommy@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also a pedo. From his wiki page:

Besson's second wife was actress and director Maïwenn Le Besco, whom he started dating when he was 32 and she was 15 after having met three years earlier.[46] They married in late 1992 when Le Besco, 16, was pregnant with their daughter Shanna, who was born on 3 January 1993.[47][deprecated source] Le Besco later claimed that their relationship inspired Besson's film Léon (1994), where the plot involved the emotional relationship between an adult man and a 12-year-old girl (played by then 12-year-old Natalie Portman).

[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 43 points 1 week ago (6 children)

So not only is he a pedo, but he was proud enough of it he made a movie about it.

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[–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 56 points 1 week ago (17 children)

Kevin Spacey is a fantastic actor.

[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

His video about what happened is very surreal. It’s on YouTube. I think it’s tied to his House of Cards character but has dual meaning?

Indeed a great actor, but as a ~~Trekker~~ human being, fuck him for how he treated Anthony Rapp (the engineer from Star Trek Discovery).

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[–] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 55 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

Neil Gaiman. I'm extremely depressed that he's actually a POS, and because I loved his work so much, I'm conflicted. His work itself seemed to have well interrogated values woven into it's fiber, but I guess you never can tell.

Edit: really fucking bummed about Red Hot Chili Peppers too

[–] yyyesss@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

man, this was the worst. but he's not getting another dollar from me, the bastard. at least he's not fighting Terry Pratchett's estate over Good Omens.

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/terry-pratchett-estate-removes-neil-gaiman-from-good-omens-kickstarter/

speaking of which, Terry seems to have been just a great guy and was better than Neil anyway. It's really helped me to let Neil go.

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[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Same with his ex? Wife Amanda Palmer. I love the Dresden Dolls and she's been very inspirational but knowing she was in on it was fucked up.

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[–] lime@feddit.nu 53 points 1 week ago (6 children)

michael jackson made incredible music. i don't even know how much of the stuff about him is true but it does feel weird listening to his stuff now, even though it's extremely well made.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago (13 children)

I don't think we'll ever know. I have a feeling he actually wasn't a pedophile at all, but just felt close to children because he had Peter Pan syndrome or something. He seemed very infantile to me is the only real sense I got of him. Strange person. But without question he did make some r really iconic music.

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[–] duncan_bayne@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert. I have several of his print books and still enjoy reading them; ditto his old cartoons. They really spoke to me years ago, as a cubicle-coder.

[–] yyyesss@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

hey, read the books you already own all you want. that doesn't put anymore money in his pocket.

being "cancelled" doesn't mean we stick our fingers in our ears and act like it didn't happen. it just means being conscientious about funding the lives of people who are actively making the world a worse place.

this is a critical detail that I think people often miss

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[–] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I don't enjoy or like public figures. Having never met them, I cannot like them. I do enjoy the works or products of some people, and knowing the person(s) who created something can influence my chances of consuming it.

There are some people who have done, or accused of doing bad things, but they have created works that I enjoyed.

AKA, I never "liked" Neil Gaiman. But I do like American Gods.

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[–] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Lawrence Krauss did this awesome video about global warming for "skeptics" and deniers and it is so good

Only problem I can't really share it because anyone who googles the name learns he's all over the damn Epstein files

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lApLD5g1Nrs

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[–] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (20 children)

I really liked Chappelle show, but he's really gone bad the last few years being anti trans and all. To say he's canceled is a bit much, though. He's still rich and popular, and selling tickets.

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[–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Bill Cosby is a monster, but his stand-up special "Himself" is a master class on comedic story-telling.

[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 30 points 1 week ago

Privileged white folk really don't realize how much good Bill Cosby has done for poor kids. He contributed an insane amount to the community. He supported schools programs financially and helped a whole generation of black folk.

And when the news came out, you better believe we were all in the 5 stages of grief.

Just a complete 180 on his entire body of work. Like finding out Batman used homeless people for target practice. Or Jesus was a sith lord.

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[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Die Antwoord. The music tickles a particular part of my brain, but they're accused of some truly heinous shit.

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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (16 children)
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[–] early_riser@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (8 children)

This is going to get buried, but I miss Bill Cosby, or rather my mental model of him before all that nastiness came out.

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[–] pyrinix@kbin.melroy.org 18 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Louis C.K

The reason he got cancelled was so stupid and everyone made it seem like he raped countless women. Also, he asked permission to do what he did. If anyone around him at that time didn't like the sound of him doing what he asked permission for, they could've said 'No' and he wouldn't have done it. I just didn't see Louis being that kind of unreasonable guy but that's what they demonized him as. I think it was all a ploy, to trap him to do what he did so they could demonize him that way.

The only reason I don't care of him that much these days is because I'm being introduced to more comics, that I am finding Louis' material very samey. Like always going on about his kids, family life .etc

[–] SynonymousStoat@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (3 children)

He has even admitted himself that he was in a position of power over those women and that makes it considerably harder to say no when the person asking could make or break your career.

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[–] pugnaciousfarter@literature.cafe 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Yeah, but I reckon the saudi arabia trip was the final straw.

For that matter of fact, lost respect for all those who went to the saudi event, bill burr included.

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