I called it our beer hall putsch at the time and was unfortunately correct
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that's... surprisingly accurate.
Thanks I'd already followed the fascist vs antifascist street fighting of the years prior and made a point to educate myself on the rise of the nazis. There lied a major decision point for America: crack down hard on the fascists or they will use whatever was done as part of a persecution narrative.
Btw this makes Mitch McConnell Paul von Hindenburg... the senile kingmaker (or Fuhrermaker in this case)
At some point the US needs to just accept that it’s always been broken. Every time something happens media comes out acting like everything was perfectly fine until this very recent thing happened.
That shithole country is a never-ending slog of pain and suffering.
everything was perfectly fine until this very recent thing happened.
And it is all perfectly fine again as soon as it doesn't generate enough engagement for them any more.
Thank Merrick Garland.
Those of us old enough to remember consider Dubya signing the USA Patriot Act into law what broke America.
You know, Dubya... The creation of the ~~American Gestapo~~DHS, "enemy combatants" and rendition of prisoners to foreign countries to get waterboarded while dodging the Geneva Convention, Gitmo prisoners denied due process and locked up there for decades, extra-judicial killings abroad, labeling people terrorists to strip them of their constitutional rights, secret courts... All that shit started with Dubya.
That's when America went fully fascist for the first time. I mean it's always kinda sorta reeked of fascism since the end of WW2, but Dubya took it all the way to the other side of the fence.
That's also when I left and renounced my citizenship. Fuck fascism. Members of my family had to deal with the original fascists and some lived to tell us kids what they went through. So you know what? I really, REALLY, R.E.A.L.L.Y. can't stand fascists.
Those of us possibly even older may point to the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine in '87. From Wikipedia, the fairness doctrine "required the holders of broadcast licenses both to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that fairly reflected differing viewpoints." In short, it's repeal paved the way for Fox News and led all the way to CBS under Weiss.
But to your point, there are 3 things on my platform that I tell anyone who wants to hear it. 3 actionable items:
- Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.
- Repeal the Patriot Act.
- Overturn Citizens United.
I didn't say it would be easy.
Well, fascism in America, like fascism in Germany and Italy, like any disease, is a spectrum. You're running a mild fever one day, the next day your neck feels stiff and the third day you call your boss to tell them you're staying home with the flu - and the official day your flu starts is day 3.
America in the 80's was all kinds of messed up but it wasn't fascist. It had fascistic traits, which wasn't really obvious if you didn't pay attention (I admit I didn't) and are really obvious now with the benefit of hindsight, now that we're all stuck in bed with a full-blown fascist fever.
You need to add:
- Repeal the DMCA (especially the anti-circumvention clause).
I usually think of the corporate usurpation of our property rights in terms of "technofeudalism" rather than "fascism," but it can easily be the latter too.
Fairness doctrine never applied to newspapers, magazines, cable television, podcasts, youtube channels, twitch streamers, and so on.
It literally only ever applied to broadcast television and broadcast radio. In other words, anyone using radio spectrum to broadcast their message. It applied exclusively to broadcast because businesses pay licensing fees for exclusive use of specific bands of the publicly available radio spectrum (naturally public I might add, literally anyone with the knowledge and tools can set up a radio tower which is why the spectrum is tightly controlled). Cable Internet is private infrastructure, the internet in general is hosted on private infrastructure, newspapers are built on private infrastructure, and so on. Under what arguments could we even use to regulate modern media in the same way?
It was abolished 9 years before FOX News (a cable tv station) existed.
I'm sorry but I get tired of this canard that if only we had kept it somehow things would be better. We live in a world where it got repealed, so I have a hard time believing that if it had been kept around that it would have been sufficiently updated to cover other forms of media. I mean look at the fight over Net Neutrality, it's a similar idea as the Fairness Doctrine, that all data should be treated neutrally and equally, ISPs shouldn't have the ability to pick winners and losers in media reach and access. It has been gutted and no longer exists.
With all that in mind I find it so hard to believe it being kept around would have changed much about what is happening now. Hardly anybody even watches antenna driven over the air television anymore.
I'm not convinced the Fairness Doctrine is all that relevant. France still has something akin to it, and the French Republic is also about to fall to a fascist takeover. Social media, where the bulk of fascist and malicious propaganda thrives, is mostly unregulated.
It always bothered me how Fox News had such low viewing numbers, but its stories were always disseminated exponentially beyond their immediate viewers. Facebook knows how this happened
The Fairness Doctrine seems kind of pointless now that traditional OTA TV and radio are dying off. I could see companies like Fox News just divesting from licenced broadcasting entirely and sticking with only cable and streaming to avoid getting regulated. The media ecosystem exists mostly outside of licensed spectrum now so it wouldn't be much of a loss for them. The end of the Fairness Doctrine was definitely fundamental to how we got here, but I don't think bringing it back will change anything significant about how the system functions now.
Amend the fairness doctrine to any (Insert better language here) interstate commerce. Last time I checked a subscription is service, and monetizing advertising is still selling something.
Also you could probably set up some way to enforce based off of subscription numbers, employee count, or revenue. Perhaps even mandate what revenue sources they are allowed to take, mostly because I am utterly convinced that a lot of bigger right wing groups would implode if you cut off their rich donors.
i like because right wing groups implode. how do we balance with freedom of press?
You don't, freedom of press does not mean freedom to misinform.
Simple they can publish or say whatever they want, but they wouldn't be able to take direct cash from rich assholes. I'd also probably ban people over a certain level of wealth from owning news publications or at least mandate that they have to put it in trust or something. Basically I want to prevent Prager and Fox from existing while stopping rich pissants from buying up legacy media to control the narrative.
i guess, how do we provide a framework that ensures that happens while we still get sesame street
Goo question to which you'd need a lawyer and a financial expert. I have ideas but nothing solid enough to talk about.
That’s when America went fully fascist for the first time.
blinks
opens up a history book
flips to the section marked "19th century"
No. No no no. Not the first time.
flips to the section marked US History in the 1920s
Not even the first time in the last century
flips to the section marked The Reagan Administration
Holy shit. I'm beginning to see a pattern.
It shits me to tears seeing Bush’s reputation being rehabilitated. He was and is a fascist. In November 2004 I decided to leave America when I could. Happily living in a more decent society now.
the tea party, shock jocks and fox new broke america
If you think Trump is what broke America you haven't been paying attention.
He's definitely the straw that broke the camels back.
The camel was barely breathing and on its knees when the straw landed on its back.
Also, helluva fat straw...
Wish the American system really would break. Seems like its working all too well.
Blind leading the blind. This shit is far from over.
I watched the supreme court pick who won the 2000 election and knew I was seeing an ending
Republicans, all Republicans, broke America. This isn't just on Trump and his Jan 6 seditionists.
And conservatives. And yes, even the "true conservatives".
Republicans broke America. It’s been the plan since Reagan.
The extremely out of touch and radically right wing - in other words, everyday Republicans - started lying about this the very fucking day of the terrorist attack on our country. What some call rightfully call at least an insurrection, what some pussy news outlets call a "riot", and what these assholes call a "day of peace" was really a terrorist attack coupled with a coup attempt.
i wasn't sure whether the us would die immediately that day, as i watched the capitol under siege, or whether it would die slowly over the next 20 years. if stopped being a question, when started being a more legitimate one.
Sri Lankan writer and Indi Samarajiva's essay is insightful
"The minority party threw chili powder at everyone in Parliament and took over by farce. Math, however, requires a majority and the courts kicked them out. They gave in. We’d been protesting for weeks and yay, we won. No. I didn’t know it at the time, but we had already lost. No one knew — but oh my God, what we lost. The legitimate government came back but it was divided and weak. We were divided and weak. We were vulnerable.
The coup was a farce at the time but how soon it turned to tragedy. They called it a constitutional crisis, but how soon it became a real one. Right now, the same thing is happening to you. I’m trying to warn you America. It seems stupid now, but the consequences are not."
Here's an archive of his Medium post. http://stupidcoup.byethost10.com/?i=1
I'd argue that everything that has happened since and the "consequences" for everyone involved in J6 is the most irrefutable proof that America already was broken.
Citizens United broke America.
It broke WAY before January 6th.
Further back for the mask off moment
We truly are the bad guys.
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Nobody 'broke America'. It's working perfectly as designed. This shit goes back 250 years, but a lot of people are just now waking up to the reality.
I understand that it may be a hard pill to swallow for Americans, but the truth is simple. The USA was founded as an empire and functioned as a terror state for pretty much all of its history.
If you didn't know it, then it's probably because it poured billions of dollars into mass propaganda, kidnapping and jailing journalists, as well as utterly destroying any country that dared to oppose it.
None of this started with Trump. Not a single thing. It has been the standard policy long before Trump was born. He just stopped pretending otherwise. In its entire history, the USA has had maybe 2 or 3 presidents that were not serious war criminals.
The core issue is not Trump, or the republican party, or the oligarchs, or even capitalism. The core issue is the United States' existence. The only solution is to either radically transform the country, ideally dividing all states into independent countries, or to get rid of it entirely.
As long as the USA continues, world peace is physically impossible to achieve. There will not be peace, order, or justice in the world until the empire collapses.
It’s because after the Vietnam protest the wealthy parasites were like “woah, we are over-educating these peasants and their economic conditions are too accommodating and they are getting rebellious as a result”, so they’ve been on a 50 year mission to dissolve public education. Yes there’s also a propaganda component as they have turned all corporate media into state propaganda (what was it Mussolini said about merging corporations and the state?), but propaganda can’t be as effective if people are educated.
This was just another step on the path. Maybe a little leap. I was watching with a coworker when I said, "they're going to win the next election. Prison or not, this was his Beer Hall Putsch."