Evangelical leader accuses pope of creating "division" with LGBTQ+ views
Oh, that's rich, coming from someone who's on the wrong side of pretty much everything.
this post was submitted on 25 Dec 2023
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Why is there a never ending series of these guys? Pat Robertson finally died and like Hydra there are two more to replace him
You only hear about the lead grifter at any point in time. There's always a bunch of them.
As long as the money is there to grift, people will do so.
His dad, Billy, wrote an impassioned defense of the perpetrators of the Mai Lai massacre. The garbage apple doesn't fall far from the garbage tree.
I went and seen WV Grant work his magic once. I wish I could remember the date so I could order the dvd haha.
His father did the same thing, and he passed the con on down the line.
He told several people that I know personally that they were healed of various problems. Of course, none of them were. I wish I had the balls of James Randi and I would’ve done my best to make a show of it. That’s difficult when you’re with your very religious family all expecting miracles though.
When I told my people of his various scams (fake orphanages in Haiti, tax evasion on his mansions they bought for him), I was accused of planting seeds of doubt that cost them their blessings. Apparently god can even work through a conman and believing is everything.
Great supernatural powers always seem to exist just around the corner. “I heard from a man I trust that magic filled the air and people who had been paralyzed 20 years got up and ran around.” Oh, ohhhhh, well hell, I didn’t know Bobby “Mack Daddy” Hicks was a witness. That changes everything.
I wish I didn’t have a conscience sometimes. It would be easier than ever to run that scam today. I’d make a Facebook account called “God Bible of the Living Jesus” and set up a tent revival. All I’d have to do is scan timelines for “pray for aint Betty. She have leg problem keep her wake all nite. A man.” and hit the stage, “Betty, Betty with the leg problems keeping her up all night! The lord said come see me Betty, get up here! Do you believe you’ll sleep tonight? Do you believe them leeeegggs gonna be healed? OH SHONDRA MAH HYBA MAH HEEP BABA MAKOYA! You’re healed if you believe it Betty! Who just felt the spirit flying all over this tent?!”
Poor Betty would think she just didn’t believe enough and I’d be standing at the bank the next morning with her disability check.
Unfortunately, I love poor Betty and I don’t even know her. Damn my conscience.
Also, Billy Graham's Troubling, Nasty Nixon Moment
The legendary religious leader exposed a nasty side in a 1972 meeting with Richard Nixon.
Christian leader encourages love. Heretics/Pharisees get very angry and call for more hate. And Jesus wept.
Last I remember, Jesus never wept for the Pharisee but instead got angry and invoked the Table Flip meme.
Like this.
Punishment for heresy is excommunication, used to be a fine and or imprisonment and sometimes to be burnt alive. Bible says to warn them twice then ignore them entirely ostracizing them from society. If they were real christens they should be canceling each other for biblical wrong think. Its hilarious that people who dont follow the faith, regularly know more about what the bible says then people who are adamant "followers".
Almost like reading the book exposes a bunch of hypocracy within the organizations that preach it.
They want homophobia. The Pope will not give them that so they are upset.
Dear Protestants, you get less of a say in Catholicism than I do as an ex Catholic heretic as you tend to know basically nothing about Catholicism. Both of us, alongside lay Catholics, priests, monks, nuns, and even bishops get less of a say in Catholicism than the fucking pope, because he’s the goddamn pope. If you really want to overrule him have an ecumenical counsel that’s respected by the Catholic Church, it’s the only thing aside from a booming voice in the sky that gets to overrule the pope.
The Pope is in the right here.
The Pope allows "blessings" of gay couples but strictly outside of the contexts of anything resembling a marriage and actively opposes actual sanctification of a same sex or transgender marriage. I won't argue it's better than their kick in the face policy they used to have but that kernel of homophobia where they are treated as an illegitimate form of family unit is still alive and well and low key still impacting the worlwide fight to end the precarity around civil same sex unions.
Fighting between "they should be kicked in the teeth" and "they should be shut out in the cold but with a kind word to speed them on their way " is still an everybody the asshole situation.
I would personally love if they decided to ditch the Pauline chapters as their key guiding principles and stop listening to the jerk who canonically hallucinated Jesus after being hit in the head with a rock. Like... When most of your contradictions of Jesus's teachings are from one guy with that particular pedigree maybe give it less weight?
Mind giving some context on the Pauline chapters thing? Seems interesting AF to spend an afternoon on.
Alright so wiki link to getcha started here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle
Is where a lot of early Christians got their message and first ideas of Christianity from. He never met Jesus when Jesus was alive. From the writings it's easy to get a vibe that he was a sex repulsed asexual who didn't want anybody to have sex. That it be within the confines of marriage and strictly procreative in purpose in that context reads a bit more like a concession to the practicality of his followership being a majority bunch of allosexuals. Jesus didn't say much about sex outside of marriage and even refused to carry out punishments levied against adulterers. Arguably because God's law is not for people to judge. Side note - Given that "washing of feet" is sometimes used as a period euphemism for sex and "feet or foot" often used to refer to the male member... Well Mary Magdeline drying his "feet" with her "hair" may not have been referring to the hair on her head so to speak and Jesus may have been fairly sex positive.
But back to Paul. Paul comes along and writes rather eloquently about how he had a vision and that Jesus signed off on him... But the bits that biblically vouch for Paul's authority as personally invested by Jesus is all written of by Paul. Dude basically pulled a "here's the rules I wrote about why the rules I wrote are rules. Paul's teachings being included in the Bible does make sense from the perspective of figuring out where certain cultural aspects of Christianity came from. By establishing himself as an early authority he basically got to codify and pass his veiws off as gospel... But his stuff is also lousy with contradictions because people used him as an easy way to hijack stuff. Out of the 27 bible sections attributed to him only 14 show consistency in syntax and style prompting the belief that there are more than a few forgeries slipped into the mix.
In general what we can gather from Paul's veiws is he is pro-establishment. He preaches that government rule is legitimate and backed by God. He is where we get such gems as women not being eligible for priesthood (aside from the exceptions of the one he elevated) and that leadership "dignity" and authority in the Church was a suitable reward for supplying the church with material wealth and resources.
He also was fairly dismissive and even supportive of slavery framing metaphorically everyone as slaves to Jesus first... Which was pretty rich given he was hobnobbing with rich folks and encouraging them to support the church he was building. Modern Christian scholarship gets around this by proclaiming that slavery at the time "really wasn't all that bad" ... Which is bullshit. Slavery at the time absolutely was chattel slavery. You were legally allowed to do whatever you wanted to slaves including killing them and the children of slaves became your property by extention. This all makes sense for Paul though because he fetishized suffering making him a solid foundation for the Christian martyr complex. A lot of the things the Church has been criticized for - the abuses of power, the hoarding of wealth the frank misogyny and exploitation.... A lot of it finds it's justification in Paul.
“He is where we get such gems as women not being eligible for priesthood (aside from the exceptions of the one he elevated)”
Oh yeah, this guy’s teachings are absolutely the word of God to many people.
Great post too.
Thank you!
Paul's inclusion in the bible does make sense...I just don't think it does from an actual "this is what the intentions of Jesus were" kind of way. Problem is too many people read every inclusion in the book as though it is a tacit endorsement of everything in there and not just citations of early deviations in the intergenerational game of telephone.
My Grans and Gramps on my Mum's side were major critics of Paul and I think three generations down it's the best gift we coulda had. Growing up with zero religious trauma coming from inside the house was a blessing. My fam are the most lovable and happy buncha muppets you can find.
Thanks a lot!
No fair, him being infallible and all.
I wonder if this guy has ever heard of the reformation.
Someone should nail a note to his door that spells out everything wrong with what he believes and at the bottom a url to a rickroll
More like 95 feces, amirite?
Luther was a literal shit eater.
The Pope, according to Catholics, is God's chosen mouthpiece here on Earth. The only divisions he could possibly be creating are divisions between who are faithful servants of God and who are sinners. This isn't my opinion, it's in the book they all claim to have read.
The pope's infallibility isn't really in "the book", being a fairly recent innovation circa 1870.
Look, he’s banking on them not reading the bible and you are not helping.
Yeah it's always fun how when these folks disagree with someone else, the pope even, it's the other guy's fault for the disagreement happening. As if the moral universe revolved around them and it really was as simple as if everyone agreed with me there'd be "no division".
Also, there's this
There's no infighting like church infighting. One of them has to be right, right??
Creating “division” with inclusion… yes how dare he?
When was the last time a Protestant leader had something good to say about the Pope?
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