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When posting images, you should strive to add alt-text for screen readers to use to describe the image you're posting:
Another helpful thing to do is to provide a transcription of the text in your images, as well as brief descriptions of what's going on. (example)
[a sign reads FEMINIST CONFERENCE next to a closed door, a blue character shrugs and says…]
I don't care
[next to the same door, the sign now says RESTRICTED FEMINIST CONFERENCE WOMEN ONLY, there are now four blue characters desperately banging on the door, one is reduced to tears on the floor, they are shouting]
DISCRIMINATION
SO UNFAIR!!!!
LET US IINN!!
MISANDRY
For real.
This is literally what happens in Lemmy’s women-only sub. Posters are still complaining about it in comments below.
Ugh… I fear for the future of my sex. Sometimes, I want to slap some basic respect into other guys. Nothing fancy or philosophical, just “don’t be a dick, leave other human beings in peace” kind of common sense. Yet it feels like a losing battle.
From personal experience posting my content on multiple platforms, Lemmy's userbase is by far the most fragile one regarding sexism.
Yes, even worse than Reddit, where this very comic had its comment section locked by the rcomics mods due to the hundreds of pissed off dudes crying in the comments. At least they get downvoted on Reddit. Lemmy really is dudebro land, and needs to fix that if it wants to grow further (which I would like as a Lemmy enjoyer).
I've said this a few times already, and it usually makes Lemmy users uncomfortable, so I'll keep repeating it as often as necessary.
It’s the ultimate consequence of going all in on recruiting people from reddit, which I have been trying to tell people for years. You’re not making the fediverse better, you’re making it more reddity. There’s no point in leaving reddit while bringing the worst of the culture.
it usually makes Lemmy users uncomfortable, so I'll keep repeating it as often as necessary.
Lol good job.
I appreciate you posting this kind of stuff!
Lemmy really is dudebro land
I feel this every time there is a post or comment about how women should have bigger pockets in our jeans and pants.
Yeah one time I accidentally commented in one of the women’s space community, as I thought it was only a meme aimed at women. The mod both recognized it was an honest mistake, and noted it actually added the conversation so they kept it up but said something along the lines of “thank you this is great but this is also a women’s only space, please don’t do it again” and they were very respectful about it. So I just lurked in that comments section as to respect the rules
Point is I too would probably be upset if my community was overran with “as a man”. What’s that one comic strip with the guy always going oh no, basically in the one I’m thinking of, they carve out their own niche, but then the majority comes in and kicks them out
Like is my heart in the right place, yes I think so, but would it lead to a situation like that, also yes
But I don’t see the point of people throwing a fit. Like go a general community like one of the Asks and throw it there. Like I fundamentally don’t understand people going “waaah I can’t be a part of something I didn’t want to be in”
It reminds me of one of my friends upset he wasn’t invited to one of our line gaming get together, despite the fact they hate the game
WHAT I MISSING I DONT GET IT
The comic you're thinking of is by webcomicname, and… it's better than my comic at making the same point tbh, I love their work.
I also commented there by accident once because I didn't read the community name. They politely asked me to refrain from doing so. I was embarrassed, and have been more careful.
Apparently for some people this is unacceptable.
Because excluding diverse identities from a conference has that terfy taste. And including them has the "woman and people I believe to actually be woman" taste.
Just hang a pride flag. Those terfy people will stay away on their own or be clear recognizable.
There's actually mens that are feminist. Why would they be excluded from the conference?
Also, conferences are a great way to recruit new participants so that's also stupid
Edit: forgot about woman safe spaces...
Why would they be excluded from the conference?
To create a safe space for women.
Oh yeah fair enough. I was more focused on OP's bad argument that I forgot about this. My bad
The point was that most men aren’t interested in being there unless they’re told they’re excluded.
Feminism welcomes all. But some times there need to be safe spaces for women, and women’s groups are there for that. So the comic is just a joke, not a provocation.
There are local men’s groups around where I live, they’re safe spaces for men who want to talk about relationships , fatherhood, anger issues or how to be more confident in their masculinity etc. Women are (usually) excluded. Many of these men are feminists, I would guess.
Hey, look at the comment section, it's the people the people from the comic.
I totally understand what is being said here. But the reality is that more than just penis havers can be bigots and more than just vagina havers need a safe space. Painting people with a wide brush is always going to upset some of the people being painted, especially those who don’t feel they should be included in said group. Reality is rarely inclusive of only two options.
I don't get it.. People should have different reaction to equality and supremacy. My reaction would be exactly this if it would be "conference on white people" and "whites only conference".
I'm not surprised by the comments who reject the idea in total. But the I am surprised by the comments that try and fail to think charitably about this. They end up both sides-ing it.
Edit: I figure I ought to do a little better job of explaining what I mean to the curious and good faith commentator.
I try not to get bent out of shape about it but formal safe spaces never made sense to me conceptually. Yes, everyone should have a space to feel safe and accepted but we're doing piss poor as a society when your arbitrary membership in a marginalized group is the best shot to find that.
They're a weak imitation of proper tight knit communities and 3rd spaces. They just happen to have some benefit because the membership self selects for similar life views. There's nothing there that people weren't getting at, say, a Victorian tea party, a laundry group or an AME church.
Neither side of the debate in this comment section is wrong but they're talking about two sides of the same coin. Marginalized groups feel modern isolation much more acutely because they had fewer spaces to begin with. Cishet guys feel the isolation as well but can't voice it in these discussions because "they're accepted everywhere" and "power dynamics make it different".
Those statements may be somewhat true but that offers no solution to the problem, not in the way that a safe space offers a simple constructive answer. It's unfortunate because manosphere and fascist spaces capitalize on those vulnerable men with the same messaging and terminology.
These conversations shouldn't be about defending one group's right to create these spaces while delicately limiting that right for another group. They should be about why we fundamentally feel the need for these formal spaces at all...
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Spoiler
it's always material conditions and resource distribution
I took psychic damage. I'm especially annoyed by the part where they rendered it at the slanted pixelated low resolution, and then upscaled it with a bilinear or bicubic interpolation.
I draw in MSPaint, and used the rotate text tool.
Don't overthink it, occam's razor or something.
If you want a space to talk, that's cool. If you are publishing works, sorry, that should be under through review from every angle, regardless of gender, class, nationality, or any other form of segmentation.
I'm all for everyone having spaces for who and what they identify with.
while I do get the ick from restrictive language like that, my main problem with the second sign would be that I'm 98% sure that it's indicative that the "feminists" are actually terfs and by "women only" they mean "no s"
I remember when right wingers would get mad that women's shelter wouldn't take men or there's wasn't an equivalent for Ben. I'd tell them "we'll start a men's shelter". Turns out people want to control other people.
Fucking Ben