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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Walmart already uses a loophole for their rotisserie chickens: Just sell some of them cold out of the fridge section. Can use snap for those just fine; but not for the same exact chickens kept in those heat lamp things.

Winco does the same for their pizzas. You buy an uncooked pie with SNAP; they then offer to cook it for you gratis.

Honestly, just let poor people get prepared food, too. A ton of people on foodstamps are homeless and don't even have a way to fucking cook. At least California (and another state I can't remember) have allowed snap to be used at restaurants like McDonalds if you are homeless and/or over a certain age.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 29 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

ah, yes, the rule of "you can't buy 2lb of tasty cooked protein for $7 but you can buy 2lb of uncooked tasteless meat for $7.99/lb"

[–] Hakuso@scribe.disroot.org 8 points 8 hours ago

If you don't have a fridge, or a stove, that "no prepared food" rule makes it very expensive and extremely wasteful to eat.

It also increases reliance on chips and soda, which a lot of places are trying to (or have) banned on SNAP without addressing the issue of "good" food being a hard to manage with countless restrictions on purchases.

[–] Tiral@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago

Basically. We have a few grocery stores that have restaurants and put their left over food in a cooler to buy when they close (8pm). You can't use snap until they relabel it and stick it in the cooler thing. Same food but because it isn't handed to you it's snap approved.

[–] nwtreeoctopus@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Plus, with a slow cooker, instant pot, or just a stove, you can make delicious broth from the leftovers and upgrade your next couple meals.

[–] Duranie@leminal.space 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

When I roast my own chicken or turkey, I've already invested so much time into cooking and cleaning up that often I can't give it more time to turn it into stock (id throw it in the freezer for another time if I had the freezer space.) If I buy rotisserie, I almost feel guilty if I don't make more use lol. Plus my grocery store has an "almost free because it's starting to rot" produce shelf. Pennies will get you all the veg for soup.

[–] nwtreeoctopus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Yeah, doing the stock is an extra step for sure. I use so much stock in cooking for normal meals that it saves me a ton of money to carve out the freezer space (especially because all the almost rotted and throwaway veggie bits can find a home in the pressure cooker).

Our grocery stores don't have the last chance shelf, unfortunately. In school, we'd raid the produce dumpster and have smoothie nights.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 117 points 13 hours ago (14 children)

We could also stop moralizing poverty and just allow people to buy whatever food they want. But this would be a good step forward.

[–] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 27 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

This is more efficient and cost effective anyway. It's bonkers we don't let people select their own food.

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 21 points 9 hours ago

It's not about efficiency. It's about power. It's about making you feel like a piece of shit for having to rely on the government.

You know, the government that's supposed to take care of you.

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[–] velma@lemmy.blahaj.zone 59 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

The SNAP program provides a monthly stipend for low-income families to buy groceries, but it doesn't pay for hot prepared foods. The exclusion, which dates back decades, was meant to promote home cooking. But critics say it's outdated and penalizes families that are already struggling to make ends meet, excluding convenient and nutritious options.

SNAP is a major piece of the U.S. social safety net used by nearly 42 million, or about 1 in 8, Americans to help buy groceries. On average, the monthly benefit per household is about $350, and the average benefit per person is about $190.

It's so short-sighted to exclude hot prepared foods from SNAP. So many people don't have time and consistent access to kitchens where they can cook every meal. I hope this passes.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 26 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

I buy a Costco chicken then make (healthy) soup with the bones.

The value for price on that thing is incredible.

[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 9 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Chicken, microwave steamable frozen mixed veggies and some starchy thing that can even be left over bread if you don't mind

The mixed peas, carrots, green beans and lima bean one is not perfect but it's cheap and effective

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This is going to sound gross, but you can make a gravy out of the liquid at the bottom of the rotisserie chicken bag and a 1/4cuo of flour.

Not as good as the drippings from cooking a raw chicken, which is why I throw it in my soup pot, but still acceptable.

Also Costco sells frozen Demi-baguettes, you can heat them in 8 minutes plus oven preheat time. They taste great. I throw a ramekin with water in the oven with them so they slightly steam and get crunchy crusts.

[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

No that stuff at the bottom is pretty good, normally after the breasts and limbs are gone I pull apart the whole thing and mix it with a bit of milk and cheese to make patties for sandwiches

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 hours ago

I usually use most of these for sandwiches, so I’ll try your patty idea

[–] RaoulDuke85@piefed.social 4 points 11 hours ago

I make a bone broth for my dogs to mix in their food. They love it.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 5 points 12 hours ago

I bet those benefit averages drop drastically, beginning with 2026. Gotta tax cut for billionaires so they can have more foie gras, coffee, and avocado toast on private jets and yachts.

[–] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago

So fucking stupid our laws

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 23 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

It's not just hot/ prepared foods. Had a relative who worked in a grocery store and there is like a whole list of what you're allowed and not allowed to buy. Maybe people who know more can fill in the details, all I remember is that you had to buy 2% milk or skim; no whole milk for poor kids. ridiculous.

[–] RestlessNotions@sh.itjust.works 30 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You're thinking of WIC, not SNAP. It's only for pregnant women and kids under a certain age to make sure they have the bare minimum of nutritional needs met. And yeah, it comes with a ton of rules and limits. They've slightly modernized it, but you used to have to use checks that had the items listed and you had to buy it all at once or miss out for the month. There's a booklet that lists the item, with brands and sizes, that can be used. No substitutions or exceptions. And if something is miscoded, oh well. The items are 2% milk or soy milk, peanut butter, whole wheat bread/tortillas, canned fish, low sugar cereal, fruit juice and like $10 worth of fresh fruits and veggies. It can be life saving, but I remember the entire program being really demeaning and too difficult to utilize.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 3 points 12 hours ago

It kinda sounds like someone took the old food stamps system and just combined the entire fucken booklet into one cheque. Why?

[–] velma@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 13 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Here in CA the only restrictions are hot food and alcohol (and hot food is restricted only if you aren’t homeless), but in my birth state my sister had to only buy specific brands of certain allowed foods. It’s nuts.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

And it should be noted that even that hot food rule isn't even followed outside of grocers. The reason you can used food stamps at fast food and restaurants is because they technically sell the food to you uncooked then cook it for you for free. It's a stupid restriction everyone knows it is but we still do the whole dance and pony show.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I see the “EBT accepted” signs/flags at a lot of fast food places here but I had assumed it was the same as the hot food rule for grocery stores! ie, homeless only. So dumb, but I’ve had people here on the fediverse insist to me that the poors should get the bare minimum subsistence through food stamps and nothing else.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 hours ago

Honestly the whole no hot food thing just comes across as Reaganite drivel to me. Historically most food charity things only gave out hot or cooked food since it was easier and cheaper to just do a bulk of pasta, donuts, or bread since then you could make it with demand and not have to break it up according to how many people may or may not come in. Sure there's some worry about cost but just give the businesses a tax incentive or something to have lower EBT prices.

IDK this whole thing about hot vs cold food just comes across as arbitrary and stupid. I get alcohol and maybe food over a certain price depending on different factors but as a whole the restrictions seem stupid.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

It really sounds like WIC?

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[–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Also causes a lot of confusion for more niche products. For example, my local store has glass bottles of milk where you can return the bottles to get some money back, but EBT doesn't cover the cost of the bottle, even though the milk itself is cheaper than the other milk options when you factor in the value from returning the bottle.

Everyone on EBT either needs extra cash to pay the bottle deposit, or they spend more money on milk.

[–] A_Drusas@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I've been on SNAP and have never had to pay for the bottles.

[–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

For returnable ones?

Legally speaking, that store could get in big trouble. That's why my local store doesn't do it. That'd be equivalent to them letting you exchange your SNAP benefits for cash, since the bottle could be redeemed for money/credit.

[–] A_Drusas@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, for returnable ones. And no, it wouldn't. Do you know how much those bottles are worth? Almost nothing.

[–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 2 points 6 hours ago

It doesn't really matter how much they're worth, it's considered an exchange of SNAP benefits for goods or cash not covered by the program. In my area they're a few bucks, which isn't nothing, but even if they were worth less, the store could permanently lose its ability to take SNAP payments if they were found selling the returnable bottles for SNAP credit.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 2 points 11 hours ago

That's not SNAP--SNAP let's you buy whatever food you want, as long as it's not hot/prepared.

You're thinking of of WIC (Women, Infant, Children), which provides food for mothers with young children. These are restricted for a couple of reasons, such as the foods being aimed at infant and child health and, iirc, the approved foods being less expensive and thus having the program's funds go further.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago

"No loss-leader Costco chicken for you! Full-priced laborious goods only!"

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