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[–] skydivekingair@lemmy.world 94 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Clickbait, he tweeted “inaccuracy in the ASUS router tool” later on.

[–] ares35@kbin.social 58 points 8 months ago (2 children)

In a follow-up post a day after his initial Tweet, Johnie noted “inaccuracy in the ASUS router tool,” with regard to Apple iMessage data use. Other LG smart washing machine users showed device data use from their router UIs. It turns out that these appliances more typically use less than 1MB per day.

the writer knew that the stats were bunk, yet wrote the article anyway. the site knew this, too, tacked-on the clickbait headline and published it. toms really has gone to shit the last few years--at least under the current ownership (last changed hands 2018).

[–] br3d@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Speaking of which, it uses the same web interface as a lot of other news sites. Newsletter popup, autoplay video part-way down that then jumps to the top of the screen, etc. What Hifi is the same, and there are various other sites all with the same annoying engine. Two questions: (1) are all these sites owned by the same company and (2) is there a browser extension that can fix them?

[–] ares35@kbin.social 6 points 8 months ago

yes, it's the same ownership (scroll down to the bottom). they have dozens of sites. don't know of any specific addons to help with them, though. custom ublock origin rules, perhaps.

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[–] nulluser@programming.dev 4 points 8 months ago

And OP presumably read the article, knew there was no actual story, and posted it here anyway.

[–] indigomirage@lemmy.ca 32 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

Well the missing socks have to get sent somewhere... /s

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes, socks can turn into a lot of data really fast, especially if they are multithreaded. Which is why I only use single threaded socks to protect my dataplan.

[–] indigomirage@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 months ago

So much for my fibre connection...

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Given that one sperm has 27.5 MB of data (which means each orgasm has over 7 petabytes of information!) I think we can safely assume which socks his washer is transmitting.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Given that one sperm has 27.5 MB of data (which means each orgasm has over 7 petabytes of information!)

Redundancy!

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[–] ioslife@lemmy.ml 32 points 8 months ago (4 children)

No it couldn’t. My washing machine cant connect to my network! I can’t think of a valid reason why I would even want that.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I tried it with our dish washer, just to see what it's about. Turns out it's all about nothing. It's absolutely void of any useful functionality.

[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 8 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I can think of a very valid reason. I very often forget that I ran the washing machine, I'm already investigating how to send a notification to my phone or computer after it is done. Right now I am checking how much electricity it consumes and when it stops doing it. But a API would be nicer.

[–] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 3 points 8 months ago

They sell clean/dirty indicator magnets for dishwashers for like $2.

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[–] loobkoob@kbin.social 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I don't get it. I guess I can see the appeal of some "Internet Of Things" connected appliances, like smart fridges suggesting recipes and keeping track of stock and auto-populating shopping lists for you. I don't need that personally, but I can see why it could appeal to some people.

But things like washing machines and dishwashers? You need to be there in person to fill them up just before they're ready to go on, and to empty them when they're done. And when they're not turned on, they're sat there doing nothing. What "smart" functions can they even offer?

[–] CeeBee@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

What "smart" functions can they even offer?

Notification that the cycle is finished and checking how much is left.

But that's about it.

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Imagine spending extra money on a new clothes washer only to have someone turn it in to a crypto miner. 😬

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 10 points 8 months ago

I'm too lazy to come up with a witty money laundering joke.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

The 'S' in IoT stands for security

[–] DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Internet of Targets

[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 18 points 8 months ago

Plot twist: it was the Asus router misreporting the amount of data.

[–] makunamatata@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Bought “smart” LG fridge, range and dishwasher a couple of years ago and never connected any of them, they function like they are supposed to, refrigerate, heat food and clean dirty dishes. No need to connect.

Fridge manual explained something like “in case of peak energy consumption your smart energy company can send a signal to your fridge to not use power”. What the heck do I need that for? To find spoiled food and mold growing in the fridge later on?

Why does one need to connect a range to WiFi?

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Some people have hourly electric pricing, in their case it's worth scheduling stuff based on predicted pricing. How that should work is that you'd have a home server which controls your IoT stuff (so the gadgets themselves can be firewalled from the internet and controlled only by you) and then your server would fetch pricing data and pause stuff that doesn't need to run when prices are high and run stuff like washing when it's cheap

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[–] pastaq@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Turning your fridge off for an hour will not cause your food to spoil. You probably won't even notice a difference since they are well insulated. Turning off the compressor during the hour where most of everyone gets home and turns on their AC can have a noticeable effect on grid stability if done widely enough. I do this with a smart switch connected to my HA server instead of using cloud based connections, but the effect is the same and I've never had my food spoil because of it.

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[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Why are people connecting their machines to wifi in the first place?

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

It's starts with a sales pitch (not just to you, it's sales pitches all the way down) about how the washer can send the user status, maybe let them schedule, etc. They probably have an app to pair with it to keep it all in-house. One thing leads to another, every appliance gets wifi and sends a ton of data to a totally undoubtedly secure and anonymous centralized server full of harmless data for the sake of saving the customer 15 steps.

Big Brother didn't ride in on the back of a commie tank, he was invited in for the slightest increase of convenience.

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[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

A: Why would a washing machine have internet access? B: If it has the option, why would You even connect it to the internet? C: If it has to be connected to the internet, why would You even buy it?

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 6 points 8 months ago

At least regarding the last point: maybe because there was no other option.

If you need specific features or have certain space constraints, you may end up with only two or three devices.

As an example: try to find a TV (not a monitor, a real TV with tuner, etc) without WiFi. Almost impossible.

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[–] kinther@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

I have a similar model washer/dryer and refuse to put it on my wifi. I only want it to wash and dry.

[–] hal_5700X@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Why a washing machine need the connect to the Internet in the first place?

[–] CeeBee@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (3 children)

So that they can call it "smart" and charge more for it.

[–] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Don’t forget they can now get you to download their app to use those smrt features. Load that app…yes, that’s right.

Now that you’ve done that, they have your sweet sweet data.

[–] hal_5700X@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Sad but true.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago

A "smart" label makes me assume it i going to do a bunch of shit I don't want it to while failing early because it is overly complex.

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[–] Treczoks@kbin.social 6 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Just put the device on a separate wifi without internet access, or look at the "child protection" features of your router. Ours can put devices based on their MAC into "access groups" which range from "full access" over "internet from \ to " to "no internet at all".

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The article mentions that his router is probably to blame.

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[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

Was it being used as a node in a botnet? Or did it glitch somehow to keep sending over and over again? I can't image that behavior is nominal for that washing machine.

[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

My Xerox 6510 pings Google every second. It made it hard to go through my AdGuard Home logs, so no it is banned from DNS.

[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Tomorrow is my turn to post about this

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I have a new LG dishwasher, last month it sent a total of 2.7M up 1.2M down. When it’s on it does about 50KB up and 150KB down.

[–] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What do you think it's sending?

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Status for time remaining, wash cycle, delayed start timers, rinse aid levels, etc. It also logs diagnostic info for the mechanics to help a tech troubleshoot a repair… Info about the heater, motor, temp sensor, etc.

I also see the occasional spike for tiny firmware updates.

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[–] EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

If you buy a "smart" washing machine and actually connect it to the internet, you deserve what you get.

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[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The only reason I can think of is to be alerted when the thing is done, but our phones have this thing called a timer that can be set to the any amount of time and it'll count down to 0. It will even make noise when the timer gets to 0!

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sure they have, put down the bong and stop hallucinating. Phones counting, backwards even, and making noises lol sure thing, Cheech.

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[–] BillDaCatt@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago

I was looking at one of those new washer/dryer combo units recently (I have heard these are common in Europe but they are fairly new to the US market) and it had a unique feature where you could fill the detergent reservoir, scan the barcode on the bottle, and the machine would dispense the appropriate amount of detergent for the load.

I can see connecting to the Internet on occasion might be helpful here to update the local barcode database, but I doubt it should need updating more often than once or twice a year. Does that mean the feature will work without constant live updates? Probably not, but I doubt it needs to update very often to remain current.

[–] zewu@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

It would be so funny if washing machines were the first to become sentient

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I need internet for reasons proceeds to send visual and audio recordings

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