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The former president fired off a series of potentially defamatory statements as he arrived in court

As he arrived at a federal courthouse in lower Manhattan, Donald Trump’s Truth Social account released an avalanche of posts attacking E Jean Carroll, who is suing the former president for defamation.

A jury in New York City will determine what damages he owes Ms Carroll, whom Mr Trump defamed by repeatedly calling her a liar and denying that he sexually assaulted her.

It’s the second trial stemming from defamation claims brought by Ms Caroll, and a jury already found him civilly responsible for sexually abusing her in the 1990s. He continues to claim that he never met her and has repeatedly mocked and ridiculed Ms Carroll in the wake of that verdict.

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 150 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And a huge chunk of the country somehow goes, "Yep, just what I'm looking for in November."

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

A huge chunk of the country just down plays everything.

"OH, if it's really so bad why haven't I heard about it." I just told you mf'r.

"Trump is the victim in all this." Get fucked. In no way has that silver spoon orange cum rag ever been a victim in his life. We are talking about the person that is suppose to represent and lead umpteen million Americans and you're treating him with kid gloves.

"Innocent until proven guilty." He was proven guilty.

"It's only civil court, it's not criminal." Hold still while I shove this goalpost up your ass.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 23 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

A survey done at the Iowa caucus asked "if Trump is convicted, would you still vote for him?". Only about a quarter of Republicans asked said no...

[–] saintshenanigans@programming.dev 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

1/4 of republicans splitting the vote pretty much means a free win for dems though. Don't let the irony of this election compared to the 2016 Bernie situation slide past you lol

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's not a 1/4 who won't vote for him but a 1/4 who won't admit it.

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[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They can deny it all they want but Trump lead an insurrection on the capitol and people still support him. Should we really be surprised though? There is a reason dictators come to power. If Trump wins you really have to start asking was our government really equipped to deal with the information age?

My answer is no and even as a kid I thought it was stupid we were so reliant on a piece of paper drafted 200+ years ago. Before automobiles. Before radio. Before the internet. When slave labor was still a thing.

Like it or not, America, it is your hubris that got us into this situation and your hubris that will doom the way of life so many have become accustomed to, even with all of its shortcomings.

[–] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 114 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So during a trial to decide damage amounts for previously made defamatory statements, you launch into a bunch of new defamatory statements?

Bold move cotton, we'll see how it plays out.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 56 points 9 months ago (1 children)

She can do this all decade long you stupid orange rapist. 5 Million. 20 Million. 100 Million. 300 Million. Keep it coming you idiot fuck.

[–] jeremyparker@programming.dev 36 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If she's the one that breaks him we will finally have proof of the inmate goodness of the universe

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 39 points 9 months ago

"Inmate" lol

That's an amusing typo in this context.

[–] Art3sian@lemmy.world 68 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

“You owe damages of $3M, Mr. Trump.”

“Well, she’s a nasty person.”

“You now owe $3.2M.”

“And a liar.”

“$3.5M.”

“She’s not even…”

“$4M.”

“This is horse…”

“$4.2M.”

“But I…”

“$4.8M.”

“You’re a nasty person, too.”

“$5M, Mr. Trump, plus you’re now in contempt of court. I can do this all day.”

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 24 points 9 months ago

And I'd readily watch that all day.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 months ago

You want more? You got it buster! How about a month of detention!

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I wonder how many people get what you're riffing off here.

"Mess with the bull, you get the horns."

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[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He's campaigning. A large part of the country love this sort of behaviour and if it costs him a few mill well then donations will take care of that.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 61 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Imagine if some country tries to stare us down while this guy is president.

We'll be a radioactive hole.

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 72 points 9 months ago (4 children)

It's way more likely that we get manipulated and taken advantage of. Other countries realize Trump is easily manipulated because he's a narcissist, and it'd be much simpler to stroke his ego while he opens our wallets .

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If their leader is smart enough to manipulate us. I don't know that Kim is.

[–] Atom@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

He sure is. Remember he invited Trump across the border and told him he was the first president to come over. Trump bragged about that afterwords and talked about opening hotels on the NK waterfront.

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[–] nerdschleife@lemm.ee 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He's smarter than Trump at least

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[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

When I read these things I am tempted to believe more and more that all hope in humanity is lost. I can't believe that our so-called allies in America are not able to recognize injustice and treat it the same way. Your society is finished - there is no other way to put it.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Half of all Americans have an IQ under 95.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In my opinion, moral decisions have nothing to do with IQ. I think that everyone is capable of making these conscience decisions. The question is rather whether if people are still able to decide things for themselves, given all the preconceived opinions that social media et al. dictates. This is not difficult in itself: you just have to decide what is right and what is wrong.

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[–] Stanwich@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I honestly don't think it's possible for them to change. Their democracy is done. They are now a warning symbol to the world. I know I'll start looking into my own countries politics . I've been addicted to the shit show coming from the states. I do always wonder how more extreme it is in the news then what the average American sees.

[–] TurtleJoe@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago

If he wins, we're done. No doubt about it. However, if we hold back the fascists this election (this includes the House and Senate,) there is a real chance at landing a huge defeat to maga extremism in '26 and '28.

Yes, you should be paying attention to your local politics: right wing extremism is on the rise everywhere.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

That's right. The USA are a good example of the downfall of a democracy. Even the most powerful in the world; and all that for no good reason - maybe pure greed or hybris or whatever; i can't make any sence of this. We can only learn from it. In any case, I am not prepared to accept this complete loss of any moral compass. A democracy should stand for all people. Not just for a few privileged ones.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago

Defaming someone just as you're arriving at a trial to determine how much extra you're going to owe for defaming them again after already being fined for defaming them would be SUCH a badass move if it wasn't so stupid and coming from someone so vile..

[–] Wirrvogel@feddit.de 36 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

He lost another 2 lawyers. Is there a number out there, how many lawyers he had that were withdrawing? Many withdrawing only days/ a day before a trial, which a lawyer only ever does if they are deadly ill or their client is so unhinged that they can not risk being with them in a court room.

[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

He goes through lawyers like it’s dollar store bronzer

[–] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

At this point i don't understand how he gets lawyers in the first place. Ok so maybe a few of them are crazy republicans, makes sense, but he has a wellnearned reputation for not paying his attorneys and I would think that would be enough to keep them from signing up in the first place.

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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Make Attorneys Get Attorneys!

[–] carbonprop@lemmy.ca 32 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It would be amazing if the jury said jail time would be more effective than another monetary settlement. Fingers crossed.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (8 children)

I don't think they have that ability.

[–] Blackout@kbin.social 16 points 9 months ago

Just treat him like he was black. Charge him with contempt for anything, the way he is breathing is too loud, and set the bail for more than he can afford. $1.5 trillion?

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

They don't have that ability in a civil trial, but could they say that? Something like "Here's the incredibly large amount of compensatory and punitive damages, which we still do not believe will suffice to prevent Trump from repeating this behavior. We believe that only detention will be successful in putting an end to this continuing defamation."

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[–] carbonprop@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I guess the only hope now is to try and bankrupt him…again

[–] WashedOver@lemmy.ca 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well when one is a professional Loser like Trunp, another bankruptcy is no big deal. It's par for the course.

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[–] jeremyparker@programming.dev 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Money is the only thing he cares about. Keep the fines going up. We can call it the Trumping Point: the amount of money required to make a billionaire understand consequences. Then future fines to other billionaires can just start there.

For real though, imagine the orange apoplexy if he lost all his wealth.

[–] saintshenanigans@programming.dev 7 points 9 months ago

Honestly, this is the entire point of fines though. We need a system where fines are determined by your tax bracket or something, it shouldn't be "ahh I can do whatever I want until the fines get close to $X million" it should be an immediate "oh i fucked up"

Otherwise, fines are just the cost of doing business.

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[–] nature_man@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago (3 children)

What is with all the leniency the courts are giving him? It feels like every month its "Judge orders Trump to stop doing thing he was ordered to stop doing several times already", if I acted that way in any trial I guarantee I would be charged for contempt of court

[–] designatedhacker@lemm.ee 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They're trying to provoke the judge so they can have room for appeal or at least fodder for his mentally stunted base. "This judge was so mean to me, I couldn't get a fair trial." Especially if they can make the judge snap at them, then that's what it's about: an unhinged, emotional, hothead judge abusing their power.

Luckily I think most of the judges smelled him coming and are just giving him all the rope he wants. That's my hope at least. Then if they do jail him for contempt they've got stacks of evidence and second chances. I may be giving them too much credit.

[–] ashok36@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

When you're famous they let you do it.

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[–] Coach@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

He's shooting people in the middle of Fifth Avenue. Judge: What are you going to do about it?

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

He really doesn't know when to shut up, hopefully that will be his undoing.

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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Hahaha boy I love this. On the hook for 10, who knows where it ends.

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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

This man is secretly a socialist, as he is just giving away his money.

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