Whatever, just do it. Cut our losses and end that shitshow.
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The problem it's not going to end the problems for a long time because Iran will have every reason to not cooperate even with beneficial terms. The USA showed its hand at being managed by a 6 year old who was only concerned about his perception.
Yup, everyone who wasn't a moron knew it was dumb as fuck to start shit to begin with, but all we can do if we keep at it is make things worse.
Even if America surrenders and walks away from the Iran conflict with its tail between its legs, Donny and his cult will still claim total victory, and there is a possibility that his approval may actually get a bump from this. Just in time to steal/cancel the midterms and start anew war with Cuba, oh and don’t think he’s forgotten about Greenland…
The article also speculates that Trump's surrender in Iran could be very bad for Israel, thanks to Iran's control of the Straight of Hormuz:
In a phone call with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu yesterday, Trump reportedly explained that the United States was negotiating a “letter of intent” with Iran that would “formally end the war and launch a 30-day period of negotiations” on Iran’s nuclear program and the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz. The purpose and effect of such an agreement should be clear: The United States is walking away from the crisis.
According to one U.S. official, Netanyahu’s “hair was on fire” after the call with Trump—for good reason. The Iran war may end up as the single most devastating blow to Israel’s security in its brief history. On the present trajectory, Iran will emerge from the conflict many times stronger and more influential than it was before the war. It will exercise leverage with dozens of the richest nations in the world, all of which will have an acute interest in keeping Iran happy. They will be unlikely to take Israel’s side in any conflict that it has with Tehran or with its proxies in Lebanon and Gaza, because Iran will have the means to punish them if they do. Israel will emerge more isolated than it has been at any time in its history—and not least from its only reliable protector, the United States. When Trump turns his back on Israel, as he must do to implement this policy, MAGA will gladly follow. The bipartisan anti-Israel consensus in the United States will grow and harden.
will grow and harden
Good. Anything that hurts Israel, gives Palestinian citizens another day to breathe and live.
From what I remember about dominionism, they need isreal to exist again so that it can be destroyed. I wonder if this is the rug pull
What a circus.
One thing I don't understand: shouldn't it have been extremely easy to foresee that Iran controling the Strait of Hormuz gives them an unbeatable advantage because oil?
I also wonder what impact this will have on human and esp. women's rights violations in Iran, long term. Something tells me this is just what they needed to crack down on Western depravity even more.
My understanding is that the whole strategy rested on that initial strike that killed Khamenei would incite the Iranian people to rise up and overthrow the government before they could blockade the Strait
My understanding is that the whole strategy rested on that initial strike that killed Khamenei would incite the Iranian people to rise up and overthrow the government before they could blockade the Strait
Yes, there’s a reason Biden didn’t take the bait from Israel before Trump. Thing is Trump kind of has to listen to Israel to protect himself from consequences so he wasn’t going to tell them no.
Trump kind of has to listen to Israel to protect himself from consequences
I saw people arguing this a few times now and I don't understand. Could someone parse it for me?
He'll surrender, and will cause a lot of talking for approximately a couple of days. More than enough to keep you all from talking about the Trump-Epstein files until he finds something else to do so you keep your attention from the fact that HE RAPED KIDS.
You need to kill that cunt, and make it fast. November is not gonna be your saving grace, November is gonna be the confirmation of what we already know: He and his goons can do whatever the hell they want and there's nobody to stop him.
To be fair, betting on the apathy and cowardice of the US voter base is a pretty safe bet, and a bet that's served him well so far.
Apathy is a poor turn of phrase for a fascist takeover.
The problem in the US isn't apathy. ICE doesn't seem apathetic. The military doesn't seem apathetic. Silicon Valley doesn't seem apathetic. Wall Street doesn't seem apathetic. The billionaire class is engaged and has financed an enormous army of brownshirts to flatten dissent.
Meanwhile, people are fighting and dying on the streets. Parades of people march in opposition. Blossoming networks of activists inform on and undermine the state. Lone wolves even take pot shots at the President.
There's apathy and complicity in the senior leadership of the opposition. But they're a fraction of a fraction of the agents involved in the conflict.
So many people (or bots, but especially on reddit) get their panties in a bunch when you say the DNC is not your friend. They are complicit. There are a handful of politicians that caucus with Dems that I really believe are fighting for the little guy, but the party as a whole loves the power/wealth the ruling class is gaining through the fascist takeover.
The Dems (neolibs) want the 1990s. They don't want an oligarchy, and they're (mostly) not complicit, with a few exceptions.
The Dems, as a whole, have never taken the kind of power that Trump has. Partly because it's damaging to the country, and partly because it's blatantly illegal.
The Dems also haven't had 8 years of cutting internal opposition in primaries. In fact, after the whole Bernie/Hillary thing the Dems went in the opposite direction of that. That's what you all wanted.
You wanted the party to have less control. The party now has less control, and you're all :shocked Pikachu: that they're not able to whip every single member in line.
(Progressives want to fix problems, not just return us to the 1990s. We can do better.)
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Yeah, man. It's entirely on the apathy of voters and nothing to do with 107 years of locking up or killing any one to the left of Bernie Sanders, villianizing socialism/communism, defunding higher education, and attributing every success to capitalism and every failure on socialism.
Like, Christ on bikes man. The US was Europe's sin eater, taking all of the expectation for running the global hegemony of capitalism while Europe was forced to spend money on rebuilding. Y'all got to retreat with the ill gotten gains of empire, had enough space to force concessions on quality of living, and didn't have jackboots on your necks. Meanwhile, we became the fucking world police, with a double serving of fuck the little guys at home.
Yeah, voting for these fuckers had nothing to do with it
Americans need to murder Trump. That’s right, I said it. He deserves to fucking die, and then wipe out the rest of his rancid bloodline.
Americans are getting fucked over by a rapist. America; fucking stand up already.
Even in my country (Canada), the news media keeps reporting on Trump as though he were a normal leader. He is not. He is a career criminal - a scammer who is robbing the US blind. Even worse: he doesn’t need to scam any more. At his disposal is the world’s largest military and nuclear arsenal. He is now attacking and robbing other countries. Next up: Cuba. He will keep on robbing and killing until somebody stops him because his greed is bigger than the Earth. Killing Trump would be a moral act.
From what I can tell, a composite opinion by the average American is now along the lines of "well I am tired of his antics but it'll blow over and be fine in a few years" but then we've deprioritized climate change and plenty of other looming issues so ignoring what he's done and normalized may be easy for us.
Trump's Endgame is always a test of just how stupid America can be ... and that is the key to his success - the near bottomless pit of American idiocy
America is difficult to underestimate.
He also hopes to slip away without us noticing the tens of billions of dollars he is siphoning off.
He will have to removed by force to get him out of the White House in 28.
Why he wants that "ballroom " so bad.
The ballroom is a data center. It's a cash grab. He wants it because Larry Ellison and Elon Musk want it and promised him a cut.
There's already a bunker for personnel under the whitehouse. Trump is NOT building a Fuer bunker. That already exists and has for a long time.
Not to mention giving his private J6 army 1.6 Billion in taxpayer money.
Bunkers only protect against foreign bombs. Local residents have construction equipment and concrete saws.
Or alternatively even more concrete. Could always just lock em in and then see what's left in a couple years when someone remembers.
Assuming the ballroom gets completed before inauguration '29, I'm fine with Trump staying in it for the rest of his life, as long as all entrances and exits are sealed, and no food or water enters.
Define "food"? Do hamberders count?
The only way he's leaving is in a box.
We can work with that
No, we will never forget or forgive.
Maybe he just felt bad about draft dodging Vietnam, and so he wanted to faithfully recreate it.
Surrender to Iran. Distract with deposing Cuba.
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