No Stupid Questions

How tf do people who work 8-5 M-F get any life done?

Ha ha. Ahhhh ...

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Nice office jobs you can slip out for doctors appointments, but you kinda sorta still have to make up some of the time.

I've always wondered this as well. Everyone I know swears by the 9-5/8-5 day shift and im like "but you can't do like anything adult wise after or before work"

I moved six weeks ago. I installed my first ceiling light yesterday. The pile of todos is slowly shrinking. SLOWLY.

As someone who also does "8-5" (can't believe we still call it that), I don't get any life done. I get home, get dinner done and then I doom scroll until I pass out from the exhaustion.

Given my commute is longer than most, I just don't have the time or energy to commit to other things I would otherwise be willing to get into. Drives me nuts when I see others being able to get their shit done seemingly whenever they want. With traffic being shit here, no idea how anyone can realistically get to the gym and still make themselves dinner afterwards without going past 10. It's crazy out here.

Honestly? It's hard. I'd literally kill for a 4 day work week. It's become ridiculous.

My gf and I don't even have kids. I can't even imagine having kids to manage on top.

My weekends I barely have time to socialize or engage in my hobbies or leisure. When I do, my weekend chores overflow on my Monday evening. I'm tired all the fucking time.

It feels like a god damn cage.

As someone who had to take tomorrow off to visit the vehicle inspection place, I'm getting a kick...

I haven't got a fucking clue. I always hated normal jobs, but I do enjoy having both food and shelter (how decadent of me, I know), so I did what I could to scrape by. And what I "could" usually translated to "could find".

Then my proper career started in 2008, and it was an offshore rotation. Give weeks offshore in various corners of the world, followed by five weeks at home. It paid well, and I got to see the world.

Then came 2011: The company wasn't doing too well, and I had contracted a family. I wanted to spend more time at home, and while I wasn't completely prepared to change careers just yet, I was mentally toying with the idea.

In spring 2012 I decided it was time to find a "normal" job, so I could spend more time with my family. M through F, 0800-1600, mostly at a technical workshop, sometimes at clients' places, and once in a blue moon at an office.

It. Was. Miserable. But having a normal job was what I was supposed to do, right? Well, the money wasn't bad per se, but it was nowhere near what I used to earn. Plus, when I got home from work I was so exhausted I rarely had energy left over. The family life I was aiming for was severely limited by my stamina.

In 2019 I concluded that nor.al jobs are for normal people, so I reached out to some old colleagues of mine, and suddenly I found myself in a job interview. Got back offshore, and never regretted my change of heart.

It's worth noting that I don't really go offshore any.ore, as I have since ended up in a supporting role, where 90% of my job is done via email or VPN, from home, saving up energy for when my kids (now plural) get home.

Jobs paid enough so one person could stay home is how it worked. Growing up, dad made all the money and mom stayed home to do chores and whatnot. It’s just how things worked. These days mom’s living off of dad’s retirement fund since he died early and she’s always surprised when I have to ask her for money even though its her generation that made the world what it is. Even when I am able to find work my wife and I are check to check. It’s stupid.

You're not supposed to do anything other than generate value. Society doesn't care about your DMV needs. Just work and consume.

I'm fortunate enough that my last and current jobs have been accommodating if I need to duck out for an appointment. In general the expectation is to make up the time, but that's flexible depending on how much time is missed.

Other than that, I decided to not have children, so it's just my wife, me, and our dogs. My wife is 100% wfh, and I'm wfh 3 days a week, so we always have someone here when needed.

Before that when I worked retail and there was no leeway, I neglected things I need to do like going to the DMV, doctor and dentist appointments, and other things that technically could wait, but shouldn't. In emergency situations, I was expected to find coverage, and one time when I couldn't, I turned in my two weeks because they weren't budging.

that's the point. the capitalists want every minute of your life they can get to work for them, then make you scramble to fit the rest of your life in the gaps. they make more profit and you have less time and energy to educate yourself, think, and organize

I think there was a time, maybe a few decades ago, when it was entirely acceptable and expected for a full time employee to say "I'm taking off early today, I've got a few errands to run." from time to time. I'm very lucky to be able to do that, but it sounds like it's getting less common.

When I tell people I work 3 days, 12 hour shifts. They say something like "That's way too long I could never do that."
They don't think about the fact that I get a 4 day long weekend... EVERY WEEK!
I could never go back to a 5 day schedule.

I’m too European to get it

Same question. I just recently started an 8-6 job and I have NO time. I’m out the house by 6:45 AM every morning and end up getting home close to 7:30PM every day. I used to work a far more “unorthodox “ schedule for 1/2 the pay, but this “normal” work schedule ain’t worth it, even at almost double the pay. I won’t be doing this forever, just long enough to find something more flexible that pays at least similar.

Most appointments get handled with sick time or talking to the manager to see if they will let you adjust your schedule to accommodate your appointment.

I have flexible time fortunately, which means I can start later if I have a doctors appointment. I make over hours most of the time so I can use those for these kind of events. Also I reduced my weekly working time to 80%

It's a privileged situation, but it is the only way to keep me sane. I can go shopping groceries at 3:30 instead of 5 or go to the gym earlier, it makes huge differences.

I say "X day I come in late" and that's it

My favorite working years were in the '80's when I worked evenings (4pm - 12:30am). I was in my 20's. I took classes, taekwondo, easily scheduled any appointments, went to the store when it was less busy, etc. I'd get home before 1:00 am, relax for 30-45 minutes and go to bed, then awaken naturally in the mid-morning, no alarm clock needed! I've always been a night owl so it was the perfect schedule for me. I've also worked overnight shift which was the worst, not good for sleeping, during the day when it's bright light and hot and people making lots of noise.

You don't you have to be constantly exhausted and have no time for everything because you have no choice in capitalism.

I am sorry you don’t want to burn up sick time or PTO… you have no choice, or find a care giver that works on weekends.

It really sucks.

Sometimes it’s using PTO or sick time (normally I’ve been able to take the time in 2 hour blocks), sometimes I’ve just been able to arrange with my supervisor for an extended lunch break, or just taking an unpaid break during the day and making up the hours later in the day or the week so that I’m not hitting my income or not completing my work.

Also, there’s reasons dentist offices often open early, or work on the weekends. Other necessary services like that may offer extended hours on certain days of the week.

EDIT: And things like chaperoning the kid’s field trip? Yeah, you’ll just have to use PTO or not do it. There’s a reason schools usually don’t have many parents volunteer for field trips; most parents can’t get the time off work.

I work 9-6, go to yoga, eat supper, hang out with my husband awhile, sleep 11-7, have a leisurely morning because my commute is a short bike ride, have 4 weeks of PTO at this point and I USE it. Weekends I have free most weeks. I can come in late or leave early for appointments.

But honestly it works best when one or the other of us are working from home, to take care of some of the household stuff & pets, and we have someone come really clean the house fortnightly, so we don't have to spend weekends doing that. And I like gardening so that's not such a chore.

I don’t get this either. Good fucking luck getting to the bank when you work bank hours.

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I have a well paying job, not overly so, but around 20% over the national median. I also have a wife and 1 (soon 2!) kids. I work 8-17 with a 30 minute commute. After work I'm too exhausted to want to do much of anything except some gym and maybe some gardening. Before I even got together with my wife she suggested that she be a stay at home mom, which I accepted. Because of that we are far far below the national median family income to the point where we technically are just below the poverty line.

But oh my god I don't think I would want it any other way. My wife can take care of most of the domestic tasks and the brunt of the child care and none of us are overly stressed or burned out. I gladly take that hit in income in exchange for the huge quality of life increase compared to if we were to both work full time. I still help around the house on weekends so my wife can have some time off from her duties as well.

I constantly get more confident in our choice when I listen to colleagues and their constant complaints about how hard it is to keep your life together. Full time work, 8-9 hours a day, was designed in a time when a stay at home partner was the norm. It just doesn't make sense if you're single or if both are working. Maybe we two are lazy but I honestly don't think we could manage it mentally and energy wise.

I do understand however that I'm very privileged to live in a very low cost of living area. Our lifestyle, with my wage, would be impossible in most of the country I live in. Living close to poverty is alright with me. I don't desire much and we both have cheap hobbies. We cook all the food we eat. My wife repairs clothes that break. We only have one old shitty car. We don't travel internationally. But we still manage just fine.

I spend all my sick days and a non-negligible number of vacation days on the kind of chores you can only get done during work hours. Back when we had "Work From Home", I would also squeeze these tasks in during my lunch break.

I don’t want to burn sick time for a doctor’s appointment (I need to save those for when my kid is actually sick), and I sure as hell don’t want to use up a “vacation” day for it.

Well, good luck with that. My retired mother-in-law helps a lot with my son when he's ill. And we can juggle my son between our individual sick-day allotments such that I haven't run out yet. But yeah, eventually they're all just "hours to spend that my boss won't gripe at me for when I use them". That's meant dipping into vacation days when I needed to justify not being on the clock.

I'm with you (although I'm Scandinavian, we have better systems in place for sick leave and childcare etc.). I've worked afternoons 14-23:30 M-T or nightshift 23:30-6:30 T-F + every other Monday to fill out the hours, almost all my life. Dayshift colleagues ask how I can stand it, but I wonder how they can stand it. If I'm going to the dentist, barber, shopping, or any other errand under the sun, I have no issues getting a time slot within max a couple of days, usually the day after.

We have an “occasional absence” policy where you can take a few hours in the middle of the day for a doctors appointment or such.