I'm sure the Tesla handed over full control to the driver before the crash. About 30 milliseconds before.
this post was submitted on 21 Jun 2026
182 points (99.5% liked)
News
38197 readers
1935 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious biased sources will be removed at the mods’ discretion. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted separately but not to the post body. Sources may be checked for reliability using Wikipedia, MBFC, AdFontes, GroundNews, etc.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source. Clickbait titles may be removed.
Posts which titles don’t match the source may be removed. If the site changed their headline, we may ask you to update the post title. Clickbait titles use hyperbolic language and do not accurately describe the article content. When necessary, post titles may be edited, clearly marked with [brackets], but may never be used to editorialize or comment on the content.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials, videos, blogs, press releases, or celebrity gossip will be allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis. Mods may use discretion to pre-approve videos or press releases from highly credible sources that provide unique, newsworthy content not available or possible in another format.
7. No duplicate posts.
If an article has already been posted, it will be removed. Different articles reporting on the same subject are permitted. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners or news aggregators.
All posts must link to original article sources. You may include archival links in the post description. News aggregators such as Yahoo, Google, Hacker News, etc. should be avoided in favor of the original source link. Newswire services such as AP, Reuters, or AFP, are frequently republished and may be shared from other credible sources.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
Teslas are clearly unsafe and the company should be sued into oblivion, however they do include crashes with FSD on within I believe 10 seconds as a “FSD crash”
I thought it was 10 as well, but its 5.
https://www.tesla.com/en_ca/fsd/safety
If FSD (Supervised) was active at any point within five seconds leading up to a collision event, Tesla considers the collision to have occurred with FSD (Supervised) engaged for purposes of calculating collision rates for the Vehicle Safety Report.
OEMs need to report anything within 30 seconds to the NHSTA, and Tesla self reports within 5 seconds in their stats as if it was on.
Can we ban Teslas yet?
Not until Elon stops paying his bribes
Can someone send him a fake invitation to see Kim in North Korea so he gets arrested there?
Aren't you supposed to still be paying attention in this badly-named mode? What on earth was he doing in order not to notice that he was travelling at sufficient speed to do this?
Some blame goes to the false advertising. Not 100% goes to the user.
Yes, but I’m sure they were doing something more important. /s
Where I live people call this "designated driver mode". So you could probably imagine the number of people here buying them for this reason.
Badly named? They have a S....an E..... And an X model..... Wait a second....
Title gore.
Is this the same FSD mode that Tesla lied about to get European approval for their cars?
Technically almost all the models fall under that. They sold them with the promise they're eventually be able to be self driving, then said it was an exaggeration/marketing (puffery).
That angle looks like it made a turn and went head on into it?
Fuck the assholes using “self driving”. Fuck the clowns selling it as self driving more, but if you’re stupid enough to trust a drugged out Nazi’s technology, you’re culpable in the death it causes.
Speeding through a residential area wouldn’t a smart person regain control?
Tesla says they overrode the self driving system.
https://x.com/DirtyTesLa/status/2069173692211360042
"Pedal fully pressed in the FSD crash. It was fairly obvious to anyone that uses FSD it does not drive like that."
Ashok from Tesla: "Yup. In this case, the driver manually overrode self-driving by pressing the accelerator all the way to 100% of the accel pedal in this residential area. They reached a speed of 73 mph during the crash, and had the accelerator pressed even after the crash."
edit: My guess, he wanted disengage the system so he went to press the brake, but pressed the accelerator by mistake instead. When it didn't stop / disengage as expected, as is always the case in these types of situations, he pressed it harder because he was sure he pressed the right pedal. At that point he probably starts yanking on the steering wheel, or the turns were too tight for that speed. I'm sure we'll get more details later when the full report is done.
Don't Teslas have a single pedal? Or am I misremembering?
You mostly just use one pedal for driving (in Teslas or any other EV), as lifting initiates regenerative braking, recouping some energy. They all still have a standard left side physical brake pedal, however, for when more braking force is required in an emergency or for a more aggressive stop.
I get it. I can't say I've ever mashed the gas, but I've had some interesting mixups over the years and vehicles. Usually it's harmless like hopping in an automatic and stomping the nonexistent clutch to start the engine or panic brake. But, that being said, as I keep seeing my rental vehicles getting more and more complicated and overbearing, I genuinely appreciate have 2 pedals to, more or less, stop the vehicle. Just throw two feet at the problem and at the very least, you won't accelerate to 73mph in a residential. Plus my bench seat pickup has a foot-operated parking brake, meaning 3 out of 4 pedals available will slow the vehicle. (that 4-pedal truck gives good laughs to my niece who competently uses one-pedal regen mode in an EV)
Not trying to be a manual elitist. I had automatics exclusively for the first 10 years and the brake pedal worked just fine. I've experienced events where I was shifted din my seat and my physical register to the floor was misaligned, causing inaccurate pedal action. Usually just kissing the brake when meaning to mash the gas. I'm probably just mildly venting, having just come back from a trip involving a 2026 rental with suicidal lane-keep, shadow-sensitive auto brake, multi-tap touchscreen hvac, and the physical volume knob (good) on the passenger side (bad). First day back today and had a lovely drive with my 25 year old base model utility vehicle.
I don't know. I'm sure there's a net benefit to saving lives but at the cost of increased incidents and reduced driver skill. I think adaptive cruise/guided steering is a little too far (and "full" self driving way too far for the current tech). My father thought ABS and basic cruise was too numbing. His father thought automatics were too disconnected. His father probably disliked foot controls or electric starters or something. And his father probably thought the loss of knowledge of horse maintenance was over the line. [shakes fist at clouds]
I've only done it once, but I got saved by being on a hill while parking. I had wanted the hill to let me roll back a little bit and I was going to stop it with the brake, but instead I lurched forward because I hit the accelerator. Given I was on a hill though my mistake had to work against the uphill and I didn't jump up to far before I took my foot off, rolled back a little, and properly braked. It was very strange and confusing in the moment.
I'd be curious how often this happens with basic cruise control on the highways, but (edit: I suspect) highways are more forgiving to the mistake than with something like FSD on windy neighbourhood streets.