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Artificial intelligence labs are in a new arms race to buy up millions of rare books, slicing them open, scanning the pages and pulping the remains — sparking concerns that the last remaining copies of out-of-print texts are being destroyed on an industrial scale.

ISBNdb notes that “print books from the pre-LLM era are structurally guaranteed to be free of this contamination”.

“Millions of the most valuable books have never been digitised. They exist only in physical form, scattered across library shelves, used bookstores, and out-of-print catalogues. We get them to you at scale.”

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[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 141 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

I really hope the AI bubble pops soon and takes at least some of these stupid companies with it. They've been operating at a GIANT loss for years at this point, how much longer will this go on?

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 66 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

The way I see the situation is that every single AI company can clearly see the massive wall they are speeding ever faster towards, they see it and can also see that it is a massive wall, thick and sturdy.

There is however one thing that keeps them pushing the accelerator down hard against the floor, the delusion that they alone are smart enough to find the prefect weakpoint where they can smash through to the promised land of massive promises, while everyone else is just flattened against the wall.

It is extreme narcissism combined with yes men powering this shit.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Nevermind that when this bubble pops, the US govt will give them all the money they need from our taxes.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Investors are starting to notice that it’s all smoke and mirrors in terms of the profits. I am reasonably sure it will pop this year. I will be utterly shocked if it doesn’t pop by the end of next year. It’s just so comically and obviously unsustainable.

This is gonna go down as the biggest Ponzi scheme of all time, I swear.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I dunno, the GameStop Bros are still waiting for MOASS. So I'd say the wealthy have more ways to keep the plates spinning than we wish they did.

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[–] NGC2346@sh.itjust.works 66 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Good way to prepare for rewriting history to their liking. Shredding/destroying the books should be illegal in this regard.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

Does anyone remember circa 2014 that radical jihadists in the middle east were destroying ancient and medieval artifacts, including stone heads? And I remember here in the liberal west we thought that was awful.

This is not the only thing that makes me think of that. Also Trump's recent calls to reduce the size of US national parks and open them up to oil and uranium mining exploitation.

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Yeah we remember. Because that’s a literal fucking warcrime. You’re not allowed to destroy historical sites.

While I agree that destroying books is bad - even common ones - it’s also not technically illegal. If I want to burn a first edition of whatever book worth thousands of dollars… I’m legally allowed to do that.

I can also see the benefit of having a digital version of a rare book that can be enjoyed by thousands as opposed to sitting on a shelf. But yeah, definitely hold companies accountable for destroying them. There has to be a better way to do that work and still have a useable book afterwards.

[–] WaxRhetorical@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

I don't trust AI companies to not alter the texts of those books if there's something in them that does not align with their worldview.
So any book added to the online archive(s) by these companies is suspect.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 weeks ago

The point of bookburning is that it would only be accessible to AI, bringing forth it's monopoly on said first edition. No one would upload it to IA in the process. It is deleting one source of knowledge out of existence.

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[–] recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de 54 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Literally ~~1984~~ Fahrenheit 451

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 52 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"We must destroy this precious archive of humanity so our competitors can't also scan it"

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So it can’t be traced that they’ve used said books for training data.

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[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 48 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

You have got to be fucking kidding me

You people have no idea how much I want AI banned all across everything. I don't care about anything at this point. These people are EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL. Pure breed CRIMINALS

Fucking 90% of the books I read are "rare"

"Oh, but there's SOME benefits to having AI", says some person on the internet that had it shoved down their throat by their boss. No. Fuck you. Fuuuuuuck you all the way.

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[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 41 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Destroying the an endangered book feels like it should be criminal no?

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[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

“I personally have mixed feelings about all of this,” one small bookseller told tech news website 404 Media last week.

The bookseller explained that in April, he suddenly went from selling around 20 books per week to hundreds — including obscure and out-of-print works.

“It benefits me financially as well as by clearing out old inventory that is otherwise unlikely to sell,” he said. “I’ve been well suited for these sales with inventory from overseas and foreign language books. On the other hand, I don’t like the end-use, and I don’t like that uncommon books are being pulped.”

Then stop selling rare and out of print books to an AI company, you fucking doorknob.

Greed knows no bounds.

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[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (14 children)

What's the point of destroying books after scanning them instead of reselling them apart from *hurr durr we are evil*?

[–] MadameBisaster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 2 weeks ago

Cause to easily scan them they remove the binding and rebinding is more work %han destroyibg so the point is capitalism

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

Have you ever tried scanning a book? It's a huge PITA.

They just cut the binding off so they can be run through a document feeder.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

To keep their competitors from buying them and scanning them.

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[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 weeks ago

Easier to scan if you cut the binding off, and it costs money to re-bind a book you purchased for 10 cents as part of a lot.

[–] leds@feddit.dk 10 points 2 weeks ago

Do make sure that knowledge is only available through their model and otherwise lost to humanity.

Same with bombarding small websites until they give up and pull the plug.

Everything is fucked

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[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago

Anthropic described the project as “our effort to disruptively scan all the world’s books” in an internal memo, which noted “we do not want it to be known that we are pursuing this project”.

[–] GrabtharsHammer@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This sounded like clownish villainy in Rainbows End. I swear these guys are compulsively drawn to the worst parts of SciFi.

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[–] peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago

That's fucking evil.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago

“Book burning, you say?”

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Because when you destroy the publicly available source you become the only available source. Paid, of course.

The final nail in the coffin for humanity, locking knowledge behind digital sources that are inaccessible in event of catastrophe.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

You know what, burn the whole fucking planet down. I'm done with this clown-ass species.

I just dont even know what to say about the intentional destruction of knowledge

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[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Combine this mass burning of humanity's canon with the onslaught of AI generated nonsense and think about what is doing to do our history and knowledge going forward.

Humanity is being dragged into a black hole by tech-fetishist demons.

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[–] kinther@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

This makes me tear up a bit. All those lost books...

[–] redwattlebird@thelemmy.club 16 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

That's absolutely disgusting. At this rate, governments should really be stepping in and stopping all this.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

So they can gatekeep knowledge? Got it.

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[–] unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To be honest, I'd be MUCH less against this practice if this shredding at the very least included saving the original scans at at least 300 dpi for everyone to access, freely.

Ideally, they wouldn't cut them by the spine, but even giving the despined ones to an archive/library would be just above the unpermissible line.

Despining, scanning and public access archiving is borderline permissible.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 9 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Also, if every AI company does this, then it's more books gone. If they cooperated they'd only need to do it once. Good scans of all books in the public domain would be so useful for us all as society.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 weeks ago

"It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times?" Stupid AI!

[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago

They're making it really hard to like them.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 weeks ago

Library of Alexandria II

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why cant they rebind them in some sort of ring binder? I guess the answer is money, but that should be possible no?

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[–] wasabi_noir@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I hope when the bubble bursts the cunts making these kinds of decisions are so distraught by their losses they resort to suicide.

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[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The bookseller explained that in April, he suddenly went from selling around 20 books per week to hundreds — including obscure and out-of-print works.

“It benefits me financially as well as by clearing out old inventory that is otherwise unlikely to sell,” he said.

I hate the AI slop as much as the next guy, but these are books nobody wanted. They were going to rot on the shelf until being thrown out. Just being rare doesn't mean it's particularly valuable.

Hopefully they are retaining the digitized versions for release at some point in the future. I'd imagine they are, since they'd still need the raw data to train future models.

[–] el_eh_chase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can't determine what knowledge will be useful or valuable to someone in the future. Archaeologists have poured over receipts and shopping lists from ancient Egypt that were thrown away. It's why the Internet Archive backs up all the random webpages they do. There's no justification for mass destruction of books, especially since it's being done to train broadly useless LLMs.

Of course they won't be releasing these books later on. These companies want to hoard this text data so their competitors can't access it. It would also be illegally distributing copyrighted work. Aside from destructive scanning being faster, the fact that a book is destroyed makes the digital copy "transformative" and therefore legal if it isn't further copied or distributed. A judge ruled on this recently. I don't mean to advocate for copyright enforcement, but that's the reality here.

I think China has a national repository of AI training data that companies can access if they contribute to it as well. Doing the same thing in the West would at least blunt some of the harm the AI craze is causing, but that would have made too much sense.

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