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This was the discussion on a recent post, which seems to be deleted now, about "AI" art on beer cans in the Mildly Infuriating community.
It's really upsetting how much art is now seen as AI looking when AI art only looks that way cause it was trained on great art. Anything stylized, slightly sepia, realistically shaded, etc etc, automatically assumed to be AI when some people have trained decades to develop this style themselves, but now it's just slop style
Some sloppers now ask the bots to draw them stick men figures, because drawing them by hand is like 10 millennium old technology, and it needs to be replaced ASAP.
This is by David Revoy, who has started getting wrongly accused of using AI for his art
I honestly don't even think it looks ai, to me, and I may be wrong but it looks like someone painted it on a canvas
Chiseled Etruscan stonework, that's what it is.
Honestly this is one of the biggest issues with it all that you don't really see talked about much
Artists sink a load of time into a piece of art they are proud of, and because AI has got to the point now it's not always obvious at first glance to average Joe, so people rely on heuristics to spot it instead.
For this artist apparently it's "yellows"
For anyone who takes photos (or even video now) even half seriously, photos with Bokeh and good lighting get called out now
You like making instrumental electronic or sampled music? Get ready for everything to be called AI
Even writing: I always used to like using em dashes—they're a pretty versatile piece of punctuation for any casual speech style of writing. If you use an em dash now though, someone just assumes the text is AI. So I've generally just stopped; not because I want to, because AI and people (somewhat understandably) not having a better way to identify AI writing.
Hell, I made an excel sheet the other day to work some stuff out and someone asked how I got the AI to do it.....
Now I'm not saying it's everyone, but I'm seeing a group of people forming, who basically say anything they can't immediately understand how to do themselves must be AI. I have a suspicion it's the same demographic that would say "well I could do that" in a modern art museum or "all they do is press play" when looking at any kind of electronic music production.
I agree.
To many times I have to post this meme because someone yet again thinks everything they see is AI. Even if the original picture is like 10 years old. Especially apparent in the "Fuck AI" community.
If it gives you any consolation, I’m also a fan of em dashes and don’t assume LLM output when seeing them. But there are other telltale signs of LLM writing. At least when the LLM is not instructed to hide those maybe?
The “default” LLM style is so grating to me, in a condescending corpospeak kind of way.
One thing that always makes me think something is AI written is the repeated use of sentences like "It's not X, its Y".
I use that so much I just assumed AI got it from me
AI writes like a hybrid of an opinion article journalist and a know-it-all redditor.
I'm currently writing a book and I'm terrified of using EM dashes, even where they would be perfectly applicable. I always end up restructuring the sentences to avoid it. The only instance i keep it is for dialogoue interruptions like:
"I bend over and spread my—"
Just use them regardless. A lot of sloppers realized they can ask the slop making machines to leave them out. I even seen stuff when they added random typos to fool some people.
uhh from my experience, any piece of art of sufficient quality will be accused of being AI made these days.
I think what makes the em dash seem AI-like is... there isnt an em dash button on the keyboard.
So typically the only way those show up is when markdown-to-blog-post tools convert normal dashes into stylized em dashes as a transpiling process.
Stuff like hugo and etc largely do this automatically.
So if a poster uses an em dash out of that context, it right away throws up a red flag cuz... howd you do that easily?
Did you memorize the alt code to make one?
Did you memorize the alt code to make one?
If you use the compose key, you don't have to memorize the unicode value. You just press compose ---.
I feel bad for David. I initially thought his stuff was AI, too. But then after going to his website and seeing the decades of work he's been producing, it's nothing short of amazing art.
It's not really a surprise that AI mimics his work, it's all been creative commons from the beginning, so it was likely one of the first things to be thrown into the slop machine.
yeah I remembering thinking the first comic of his I saw was Ai as well, but it also took very little effort to realize it wasn't. the people acusing him are willfully ignorant at this point and while it's great to see Ai skeptics, it's not so great to harm the actual real artists out there
I always felt his style doesn't quite fit the anime faces.
But almost all anime looks like the Potato Jesus on some level to me, so maybe it's just me.
Artist self insert, given Lemmy even accused them of being AI despite them documenting everything. That's unfortunately the only way to validate at the moment, although if I'm being honest I kinda dig behind the scenes. It is especially interesting if you can see a beautiful photograph and all the work they put into getting the lighting just right.
Wait, is it inherently bad for an artist to self-insert? Isn't that one of the key ways they share their perspective? If there's some bizarre strawman-ing or self-aggrandizing going on it can problematic but the general idea of an artist self-inserting themselves or their ideas into their work seems fine to me.
I don't know if the person you replied to implied it was a bad thing, but it's been a thing for centuries, Caravaggio self inserted himself and people from the street in his paintings, van Eyck hid himself in his paintings, Louis David painted himself among the Coronation of Napoleon, etc
Yes, I didn't mean to imply it's a bad thing. Just that it simply is. Plenty of comic artists do that, and I wanted to give context.
This artist has it rough in particular.
I love the artwork in Pepper and Carrot. I've got the books downloaded to my comic reader and am looking forward to getting to read them.
Signal boost this so people can learn this artist exists and stop calling their work ai
My hot take. Apologies, but:
Why do people think they're walking AI detectors, soley based on the art itself?
I find it pretentious.
To be clear, the who, where, and how a piece is published is important context. One should be suspicious of suspicious artists.
But not the what.
Don't even look at the piece. Extreme cases aside, no one can definitively tell if art is AI generated just by looking at it.
People are getting a little too paranoid if you ask me, and it's always tempting for people to jump on the bandwagon in order to make themselves feel cool or aloof or in-the-know or whatever else. I don't hang around anywhere except Lemmy so I have no idea if it's as bad as it is here, but it seems like any time basically any picture of any stripe gets posted there are always one or two dinguses who reflexively parrot "it's AI!!!!" and claim they can magically tell, even though it demonstrably isn't. For extra hilarity, this occasionally includes people howling about how literal decades old image macros that were circulating in the first couple of years of the century are "obviously" AI because apparently it's their first friggin' time using the internet or something.
For the record, I vehemently loathe AI slop and the current crop of generative "AI" products in general, I don't use any of them, and I never will. But people really can get carried away over this, too.
Eh. I can live with internet paranoia.
But I’m disproportionally annoyed by posters who think they’re experts at something when they’re not. Especially so angrily/loudly, like the scenarios you point out.
It’s especially ironic in this case, as the “false confidence” AI gives is what the accusers are against, isn’t it?
Will anyone learn to be less vociferous with their AI accusations, or only be more vociferous with their dislike for AI and so to make more dubious accusations?
I saw a recent David Revoy comic that everyone here on Lemmy was accusing of being AI. Which is really tragic for someone who goes to such effort, is such a supporter of free software, and in my opinion has a style which is quite far from typical AI output.
That and all proper English writing gets you accused of using ChatGPT, because ChatGPT was trained on proper English writing.
Not only that but also long explanations.
I am a part of a couple of self hosting subreddits and I like to explain why things are the way they are because I feel that it is valuable to share that knowledge, even if the person doesn't care about the details initially.
I like to share my knowledge about things that I have used over multiple years, and I also don't like to simple give you the solution because, most of the time, important information will be lost by just saying "do it like this".
But over the last year I had a couple of people mention the typical "ignore all previous instructions" and lately it is just downvotes. No explanation.
People can't detect AI so they see AI in everything.
Dunning-kruger in action.
My favourite example:
The en-dash – used for interjections, among other things – has been a staple of prose for a long time. Equally, it has been used in corporate communications attempting to sound formal and educated – often wrong, to the point that I myself amn't sure any more whether I'm using it right at any given moment, or how it is different to the em-dash — even longer, yet less popular because MS Office doesn't automatically replace a - between words with it.
Is it any wonder, then, that machines trained both on prose and corporate slop produce a soup of words interspersed with en-dashes – whether they make sense or not?
So when I use it, because I got used to it before the machines appropriated it, and people take it as indicator that my slop is artificial, I always get a little sad. I'm not concerned about AI taking my job, but I do worry that it may be taking my hobby:
Writing long, rambling comments of questionable quality on social media.
I sometimes also look like LLM when writing in English since it's my second language.
And it’s not just laymen who miss label art as ai art. I’ve seen artist attacking other artists and claim that other artist uses AI. And they came with “receipts” in the comments. Even when others pointed out the history of the other artist the attacker doubled down.
Yeah, AI Psychosis is real. It's kinda funny watching people shout down something as AI when clearly it isn't.
To anyone who finds it necessary to "call out" stuff for being either fake or AI generated when there are no stakes, why are you like that? When you're wrong, you're at least as big of an asshole as anyone actually putting out AI generated art as if they made it. Probably more of an asshole because you're specifically targeting an artist's work while those posting AI art as if they made it aren't trying to bring anyone down like you are.
Generating slop should be socially shunned, that's the only way we survive this onslaught. Defending slopgen should be shunned as well.
I'm not trying to be dramatic or anything, but we're in an existential battle for the survival of the concept of beauty here.
Okay, but you shouldn't accuse an image of being AI generated just because of vibes. Investigate first, find proof or at least strong evidence.
Some dude flippantly ~~cake~~called me ai on here a few months ago(because of typos ironically enough) and convinced someone else to block me. People suck.
Edit: I am obviously an idiot. I promise that was not intentional.
