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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 50 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

If Flock was really useful it should be pretty easy for them to produce statistics showing as much.

The fact that they can’t or won’t says a lot.

[–] CorneliusTalmadge@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

O it’s useful or they wouldn’t be doing it. It’s just useful at doing things that are at best questionable. But more likely are just outright illegal.

[–] BooBees@fedinsfw.app 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It’s useful not in a here and now way, but in a “we need this as a critical part of the upcoming technocratic feudal autocracy you all will be enslaved in, so we know where to send the ai robot dogs to put down any potential uprisings before they start” kind of way.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

Or a “we need a pretext to arrest and convict anyone we want” sort of way.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 days ago

Even if it did actually track crime and lead to convictions, I don't care. I do not want government spying devices on every corner

[–] GalacticSushi@piefed.blahaj.zone 35 points 5 days ago (2 children)

An estimated 460,000 children go missing in the US every year. Flock cameras have not helped to solve this problem one iota.

Flock cameras are being used to stalk ex-girlfriends, surveil recreational pot users, harass women who get abortions, and creep on children.

They were never meant to solve crimes.

[–] not_a_username@anarchist.nexus 10 points 5 days ago

this is what I came here to say. Flock/mass surveillance will never be used to our benefit.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

Also what percentage of those missing children are part of estranged parents or relatives.

A thing the flock cameras will never really be able to help with (even if they were reliable and intelligent).

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 5 days ago

This is your periodic reminder that Flock Safety is only the tip of the problem.

Some districts are de-Flocking only to install an Axon ALPR network service. Keep fighting until your community outlaws all ALPRs and ALPR lookups are inadmissable in court.

There are other technologies that are already in use and widely abused by law enforcement such as IMSI catchers, geofence warrants and Drones as First Responder. Learn what your district allows and be a civil nuisance untill that shit is blocked.

Judges have long ceased tightly constraining judicial warrants, and most courts accept the good faith exception, so US and state courts cannot be trusted with any overreaching surveillance technology or forensic tools. This includes chromatic field drug tests and detection dogs.

[–] Broadfern@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The crime of being a dissident or simply not wanting to be advertised to constantly

FBI: It’s the same picture.

[–] HorreC@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

can we also aim this at ring cameras?

[–] decolo@piefed.social 6 points 5 days ago

It's time to start looking at both Ring and Axon

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

Let's be clear here, "solving crime" is just "violating your rights" with "because presumably a Judge allowed it" sauce on top.

[–] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Needs a second large outlet “incorrect identification” or similar.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Still falls under violating rights as they pull the wrong car over with violence and at gunpoint.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Just standard modern conservatism. Wrecking people’s lives is worth catching the cast majority of people doing nothing wrong. But you might.

don't forget religious people. that's where conservatives get all their ideas.

[–] texture@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

there will be no crime solving

[–] db_null@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago

There will be lots of crime solving. Abortions, disagreeing with some power hungry cop, attending Pride, coming home late to the cop husband, mentioning the Epstein files...

[–] Rothe@piefed.social 2 points 5 days ago

Seems like this picture could be applied to most new tech.

[–] ProIsh@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Now do but with TSA

[–] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

October 31st.

[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How often can your supposed rights be violated until they're no longer rights and just words on a piece of paper?

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 3 points 5 days ago

Once, when done by the same institution.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Flock cameras also create crime. The company will say things like they have measures to prevent abuse but they don't. For handling a abuse after it happens. And abuse is a euphemism for crime like stalking.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If you think you're hard enough to take a bear's arms, you go right ahead.